General Clark - the Statesman- Part 2
Submitted by ms in la on October 30, 2005 - 3:13pm.
From the Diaries -- Brent
Feeling a bit heady from the Blogger's Round Table treat, I think we all sort of drifted out of the room in a dizzy pack, with Gert and Wes pulling up the back. A very odd thing happened upon walking out into the bustling living room. An older gentleman, wearing a Wes Clark '08 button on his lapel, chomping on some crudites, stopped me and inquired, "Who is Wes Clark?" Pause. Excuse me? Again, "Who is Wes Clark, who is he?" I figured it was a test to see how avid a supporter I actually was, so I rattled off the top resume points with ease when no sooner had "Supreme Allied Commander of NATO" dropped from my mouth -- than Wes himself approached from behind me to shake his first hand in the room, and it was this gentleman's...This man, who had apparently wandered in from-- somewhere (?) for a bite, was about to shake a four star General's hand, unwittingly. Characteristic Wes, he boomed "Hello! How are ya doin'? Thanks for coming out tonight." Crudite cruncher was appropriately awed....
Wes's speech to the crowd was strong and extremely well-received. I will say, guaging the group's responses, that the section wherein he defines our current situation as a "Tragedy" hit home the strongest. I saw more collective heads nodding as he rattled off the reasons we were embroiled in a Tragedy (with a capital T because the proportions defy lower case) at that point. It's a bold choice to talk in these epic terms to Americans, but a wise one because everyone else is tap dancing around the inevitable, afraid of sounding too pessimistic or of discouraging further an already bleakly demoralized electorate. But in keeping with "telling it like it is"... Wes Clark calls our current situation in America and in Iraq properly -- a Tragedy. That's what you get for studying the Greeks.
Michael Webber's brilliant introduction to Wes on stage was capped with-- "- a man whose staff has NO indictments...General Wesley Clark!" met with roaring applause.
Wes wasted no time in stating his primary goal of "changing the mix on Capitol Hill in order to change America" and then edged right into introducing Gert and Wes Jr. to the crowd. On Wes Jr " He did his duty-- 4 years in the Army in the early '90s, proving he doesn't have to wear an American flag lapel pin to serve...
"Flashback
General Clark proposes a remarkable idea-- What if we could somehow take everything that is happening today and flash it back to October 28th, 2004, explain to the American people that this is where we'd be in one year from now should Bush win. BEFORE the election. Or, as Wes most deliciously phrased it; "Before Bush received the largest number of COUNTED votes"! ( Insert huge laughs here and one piercing squeal from an election integrity activist who shall remain nameless....) Then he rattled off the list, leading into the Tragedy Scenario:
2000 dead in Iraq
A White House that's under assault
A Supreme Court-- they'll get a hard-line right winger up there, I'm sure on this
An economy that's motoring along but not producing jobs
A White House without an agenda or strategy or really anything other than some fixed obsolete ideas
He likened the obsolesence of ideas to Bush's penchant for "borrowing" everybody else's old policies, looking backwards instead of forwards. He took Reagan's tax cuts, he took JFK's Space program, he took his father's war with Saddam Hussein.
And here we are today. What would America have thought if they could have seen this before walking into the polling booth?
"I view it as a Tragedy. A tragedy in Iraq for the men and women in uniform, for our country. A tragedy in Washington for the greatest nation in the world to have someone in the office of the Vice President indicted ....we have to ask what else is going to happen...."
Democrats Call to ACTION-- The Three Elements
General Clark REALLY wants us poised to win in 2006. It's hyperfocus time. Put all other ideas and grandiose schemes aside for the moment and hone in on Congressional 2006 elections. Without success there.... well, it looks grim for us.
He has a three point plan for the Party and he is asking all of us to help with it.
1) VALUES
Wes says the democrats have been victims of 20 years of negative "branding" that we need to be conscious of and transform. The stereotypes aren't true and we need to break them down. We need to demonstrate that we are the party of values, moral values-- "Now Republicans would have you believe values are moral values and moral values just mean sex. They whisper about never disgracing the White House, but what they're doing is...they're titillating themselves I think!" ( Huge laughs)
Here is where he discusses the COMMON GOOD and big picture values. About caring for each other, why this country came together-- to provide for the common defense and promote general welfare. He elaborates on the concept of "community" and equal opportunity, the duty of those better off to help out those less advantaged-- as a uniquely American obligation. He cites Gordon Gekko from "Wall Street" and insists that he is wrong....that greeed is NOT good or right! "Our values are-- the Common Good!!"
2) FAITH & THE GOLDEN RULE
Religion. Here he tells us the Regent University story (see Part 1) where he debated Newt Gingrich and Oliver North (groans from crowd). He says he learned that Pat Robertson has his Christian Broadcasting Network piped into the Middle East with their messages translated into Arabic. "--- which is perhaps why there's a lot of resistance. Maybe when karen Hughes goes over there and says how much we respect them, maybe they don't believe us" (huge laughs again)
We hear the story of Wes's own religious background from being born to a Jewish father, raised Baptist, becoming Protestant at West Point, marrying Gert- an Irish Catholic and converting to Catholicism, to currently attending a Presbytarian Church! A veritable mosaic of faiths!
And then he ties it back into Values--" Every religion I've studied have one thing in common...If you believe in faith, you're obligated-- if you're more advantaged, to help those who are less advantaged. And there's only ONE political party that practices that faith, and that's OUR party!
3) SERVICE & PATRIOTISM
"We're a party of service". Wes has all the Veterans and active members of the Military raise their hands and he contrasts that number with the amount recently at the crowd of 500 at Regent's University.... But he expands service to incorporate Hospital volunteer work, Peace Corps and the country's call to arms when in need. I think from the two audiences with General Clark that night, he is deeply concerned about our Military today for a number of reasons. He cited the PTSD statistics (near 30%), we know how wrenched he is about torture of prisoners, the declining enlistment of the Army, and now he brings up the thinking of some that they are too good or too priviledged to serve. He wants to encourage enlistment but at a time of public sentiment about Iraq reaching it nadir...he may be fighting an uphill battle.
He emphasized the need to make the Democratic party a NATIONAL party by placing less focus on local "pet issues" which he feels are splintering the party, and more focus on being the party that "helps your neighbor in need" for ordinary people , combining Values, Faith and Service as a platform and concentrating more on "what's good for America".
What about 2008?
When queried about 2008 and a Presidential run, he coyly sidesteps the issue by saying he is flattered and LOVES seeing all the "buttons and all", but it's now time to help change the Party, the platform and the branding to take back Congress in '06. Period. I interpret that to mean that after we take back Congress in '06 he will begin to work on his Presidential run for 2008... but that's just me!
IRAQWhen a question was posed about exit strategy for Iraq, you could hear his voice shift into an uncommon weariness. As if he were tired -- physically tired-- of having to defend his strategy ideas. As if he had said it so many times before and why weren't they getting it? A combination of frustration and fatigue. He laid it out clearly and logically but some die hard "get out yesterday" folks were unconvinced. Can't win 'em all. I won't belabor his Iraq policy as most of us here know it, but only to say the bottom line being "No arbitrary timeline. An event-driven strategy-- train Iraqis, establish regional cooperation with Syria and Iran..." and so on. He was emphatic that it was NOT Vietnam and shouldn't be confused with it in discussion. Referring to it as a "war of choice" in which we made a mess, blew all the opportunity that might have been there and now we needed to be smarter about the exit
My favorite was the wrap up of the Iraq answer when the General declared forcefully, convincingly;
" There will be accountability on this administration for taking us into a war we didn't have to fight. They will be held accountable, You watch...these folks will be held accountable!"
I'm pretty sure my heart rate dropped into a meditative realm when he pronounced those statements. Because, at the end of the day, his is the rare voice amidst a cacophony of noisy blather that singularly stands out because--
I can believe him.
Afterwards both Wes and Gert were mobbed by well wishers and new converts eager to get a hand shake (or hold...) and a word of praise. Wes looked to Gert for his own exit strategy that night, not nearly as complicated as the Iraq one and Gert, as the General's General...came through outstandingly.
This is a man so in love with his wife, his family, his country-- you have to pinch yourself in his presence to be sure you haven't gone back in a time warp to some fictional Ozzie and Harriet world where Eddie Haskell might drop in at any moment and spoil the fun. When Gert stepped up to thank everyone for coming out, Wes stepped back one step and gazed at her with a glowing admiration that you just can't forge.
hekebolos (DKos Blogger extraordinaire) and I were fortunate to have a talk with Congressional candidate Russ Warner (running against hiss booo David Drier) and his dear, sweet son in uniform, back from 17 months in Iraq in the first Cavalry. His innocent, open facial expression belied nothing of what he must have witnessed. I asked him how he could distinguish the insurgency. He said "There's no way, you can't ma'am". We are all pulling for Mr. Warner to beat Drier out of office, of course, but doubly so with a son who has served.
As most of us know, an 'audience' with the General- public or private- only reconfirms your belief that here is someone - on the horizon right now for very specific reasons. Someone "made for these times". Someone made to conquer, in a country desperately seeking solutions. Ironically - it's a retired four star General who's actually out there "winning the hearts and minds" that this sorry administration has left behind.
In my hunger delirium as I have not eaten yet today (!) I forgot that part! LOL! It's on a separate page of my notes and I swear I'm not torturing you but I need to eat first and I'll either insert it or add it as a comment after I eat....
Sorry! But it does add some suspense, doesn't it?
So great to read your account. Thanks. I think he is right, we need to win one house in 2006 and hold this group accountable.

I wanted to go, but was unable to at the last moment. It sure is great to read all about it from your well written post.
Thanks a boat load.
Sorry you couldn't make it texifornia... Next time. They arranged this event in less than one week I believe so no one had any advance notice really. Gert did thank everybody in California for letting them get a chance to come see their grandkids!

and General Clark proud ms. I can't imagine this event being better covered and I'm so happy you're STILL here and STILL blogging!!!
Many thanks!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia

An extraordinary post,.. as always!
I was hoping that Bush chose a more 'moderate-right' nominee vs. an extreme right winger activist judge. But I see why Bush would want to do so, in order to distract attention away from the
indictment of lies and obstruction charged against his administration. He is the most incompetent President that we ever had. It's so sad that he fails to hold himself accountable, but even more Tragic for our country that he is still our leader <cough cough>. and holds that office. He should resign if he truly wanted the best for this country.
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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
ms in la, you have only been outdone by the man himself. Thanks so much.
How I wish every single person in the U.S. could meet this man and know him like many of us have.
for covering an event that others cannot attend. It's great to hear (almost...) all the things that Gen. Clark has to say. Although nothing would beat being there your post really covers it all for us. I'm glad to hear that the General thinks that this adminstration will be held accountable. I really hope he's right.

would you mind posting the link to that piece by the woman who wrote about being made for these times and that is so full of hope and encouragement? I thought I had saved it but I can't seem to find it. It should be posted from time to time anyways! I know you were thinking of it as you wrote your last paragraph! :D
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia
This is just a snip from the entire piece, but it's the snip I always post. Over and over!
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Inspiration
by Clarissa Pinkola Estes
My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times. I have heard from so many recently who are deeply and properly bewildered. They are concerned about the state of affairs in our world right now.
Ours is a time of almost daily astonishment and often righteous rage over the latest degradations of what matters most to civilized, visionary people.
You are right in your assessments. The lustre and hubris some have aspired to while endorsing acts so heinous against children, elders, everyday people, the poor, the unguarded, the helpless, is breathtaking. Yet, I urge you, ask you, gentle you, to please not spend your spirit dry by bewailing these difficult times. Especially do not lose hope. Most particularly because, the fact is that we were made for these times.
Yes. For years, we have been learning, practicing, been in training for and just waiting to meet on this exact plain of engagement...
I grew up on the Great Lakes and recognize a seaworthy vessel when I see one. Regarding awakened souls, there have never been more able vessels in the waters than there are right now across the world. And they are fully provisioned and able to signal one another as never before in the history of humankind... Look out over the prow; there are millions of boats of righteous souls on the waters with you. Even though your veneers may shiver from every wave in this stormy world, I assure you that the long timbers composing your prow and rudder come from a greater forest. That long-grained lumber is known to withstand storms, to hold together, to hold its own, and to advance, regardless.
In any dark time, there is a tendency to veer toward fainting over how much is wrong or unmended in the world. Do not focus on that. There is a tendency too to fall into being weakened by dwelling on what is outside your reach, by what cannot yet be. Do not focus there. That is spending the wind without raising the sails. We are needed, that is all we can know. And though we meet resistance, we more so will meet great souls who will hail us, love us and guide us, and we will know them when they appear. Didn't you say you were a believer? Didn't you say you pledged to listen to a voice greater? Didn't you ask for grace? Don't you remember that to be in grace means to submit to the voice greater?...
I lose heart,, and then I get back into my metaphysical readings and such (YES, I do delve... ) and I am slapped back into shape.
Thank you for this. I adore her!

I knew I just knew if I could read this piece again I would calm down and feel alright! Actually your report of General Clark's appearance Friday night made me feel really good and this is the icing on the cake. I truly deeply believe this - I'll never forget the first time I read it and I just knew it was true.
Thank you ms!! thank you msbehavin'!! Thank you Clarkies and General Clark!!
I so wish our lost bloggers would come back. We are all needed and together it's so much easier.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia
They will come back!
WANTED: Lost Bloggers to return to their blog home immediately. Starting with that rascal Monkey Lied!
ML-- Phone home.

good one msbehavin'!! :D
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia

Wow, wow, a thousand times wow! What a wonderful account....You are such a wonderful writer. Thanks so much for sharing this with us...
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
You did us and yourself very proud.
Because the edit tab strikes fear in my heart--- every time I hit it and revise I squeeze my eyes and look to see if everything has gone either bolded or italicized afterwards--- because of this, I decided to blog the remainder of the Q and A portion here on a nicely full stomach!
Question: How do you plan to deal with the Media when they ignore you and marginalize you so?
Wes Clark: "Well, I don't think that I'm UNIQUE in that respect!" (big laugh from the lawn) "My strategy for dealing with the Media? Well...first of all-- we've got a lotta bloggers here--" Thunderous applause from blogosphere! "And I'm grateful to them!"
"There is a Republican Media Strategy, and it's a three part strategy" Ya gotta marvel at the organized mind!
1) Take it out of context
2) Distort it
3) Then they label you-- Idiot, Whacko, Dummy or Freak-- for saying something "so distorted"!
"By the time you've finished explaining the context and the accuracy of what you said, you've lost your time to get the issues reported.. But I don't take it personally, I think the Media treated me as well as it treated anybody else... Remember, Y'know, I'm just a retired Army guy......Except--" He lowers his register to punch this one home... "I did win Oklahoma!" Applause, applause!
He finishes by stating he'll do the best he can with the contract at Fox and count on all of us to help spread his message out there.
One other Question on the state of the Military:
Marines and Army are having a tough time meeting recruitment levels (Air Force and Navy doing fine) Especially the Army is in trouble (Even George Soros is worried about that one). Wes says we need to get about 80,000 new recruits a year to keep pace and we fell short this past year. Because of that, the standards have been lowered yet again. It appears there was a norm of level "3-B" score on the entrance test that was needed for acceptance before. Per Wes, that corresponds to about an IQ of 90... They have now lowered the standards beneath the standard 3-B level. Too bad bush is too old to enlist...

to those of us who couldn't be there. I will do my best to pass it on

You sure seem to have been present at a terrific Clark event. I am green with envy! Thanks for taking the time to jot down notes and then expand upon them for our benefit. Wes Clark is clearly the person who is most quailifed to lead us out of the quagmire that is the Bush presidency.
It sounds like Wes was in top form on Friday night and I am soooooo happy that you were there to bring it on home to all of us! Great job all the way around.

I can't imagine how dispirited Wes must feel at the state of his beloved Army. All the hard work he and others did building the forces up from the ravages of Viet Nam only to see it treated like a play toy by and spoiled child.
George Bush has had his day and he's bollixed it up.

for this particularly inspiring report on our beloved General and all you and your hubby do to spread his message for America!!
Win with Wes in '08
Carol, pia, reggiesmom, Susan, mad4clark and Doug and others I didn't get to respond to!-- You are all so very welcome! Thanks for the comments. I wish this was my full time job, enscribing the General's speeches... So it was my distinctive pleasure to provide the account of that wonderful evening.
We, the organizers and us, estimated near 200, maybe as few as 175.
It's funny because it was in the back yard of this home primarily and both Wes and Gert were worried about everyone getting their feet wet and cold standing out on the grass! That was so cute, as if anyone really cared about having wet feet when our country is washing down the drain, and the guy with the answers was speaking to us!

That is a very good number for a house event!!!! What a story ,you should tell the local newspapers,press and the local Dem orginazations
Long Island For Clark."We will be underwater in the next 100 years" The 10 days of rain was a warning
Something weird just happened to this entry-- the second half went all bold and italiicized on its own! Strange...
of times and I found out that after italicising or bolding I had not closed these <> things or not done it correctly, i.e. once I should have closed with an "i" and had done "b". Its these wierd things that men design for us females to use.
edit and just check through - that shouldn't make matters worse. I don't use the box and all the gobbledegook, changed my account back to the original.
Many times with the edit I have the oddest of things occur, but this time I was able to go back in and clean it all up! Oh JOY!!

Very nice pictures of the event here: Jackie's slide show
I also loved your pictures, ms! :)
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
Thank you dear heart...good to come home from visiting sis-in-law in the hospital to your excellent report.
Sometimes I don't think I've got it in me any more, then I read something like this and once again realize...hope, does indeed, spring eternal.
Just when I become discouraged I read a report like this and I'm inspired to keep a-pluggin' away. I'm so thrilled to hear someone of the General's stature saying this group WILL be held accountable. Okay, General!!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark

Into the "Blog Bonfire" they go. Nov 5 is "Guy Fawkes Day" 1600s .a day of Traditional Bonfire , burn in Effigy(Your list )with .............fireworks. You may roast potatoes as a option.
Long Island For Clark
I'm inspired just by you guys telling me you're inspired!!!
It's too easy to get discouraged today. That's why we have someone like a General to lead us to not do what's easy. To not fall down when we're pushed too strongly.
I know, the accountability thing got me too-- SO important to hear that...
Great job on the report of the General's speech. It affirmed my belief that Clark is more concerned about the country than he is his own interests. It also made me mad that a man of his caliber does not get the recognition that he should from either the media or the Democratic party.
Not only is he more concerned about the country than his own interests-- it's what he wants everyone to move towards...the concern for the big picture, not the small designs that compose it.
And we all know, the Media died a long time ago. It was a slow and painful death, but it's gone now so we have to move on into acceptance and keep blogging!
Thanks for the write-up! Far more detail than mine, I must admit. You're right, chatting with Russ Warner's son was a treat and a real eye-opener.
I must warn you -- this Clarkie thing is addictive. ;P
Once a Clarkie-- always a Clarkie. Welcome aboard.
I hear you posted the pix from the photographer? She emailed them to me, very nice photos! Did you see the photo of Warner, Wes and Warner's son? Precious!
The one with the bloggers is on my blog, yes, but as strange as it sounds I don't have a place to host photos. I guess I should get one. Any recommendations?
http://hekebolos.blogspot.com
I did see the one with the Warners. That is an awesome picture. I can actually see his son getting running for office in a few years...
I really appreciate both your reports of this Wes-event (and the pictures). He is truly inspiring, and you have helped spread the hope the General always leaves me with.
I'm glad I could read all your great remarks about the visit with General Clark. I could read your posts all day and night. You have such a remarkable talent for expressing things. It's just a joy (and often times a laugh:) to read your messages. What I just read was very uplifting. The General has a way of making one feel that way, doesn't he? What a man! I'm so glad you enjoyed the evening with him and very sweet of you to relay it all to us. Thanks.
Barb
( I was raised in Michigan-- You are Barb in Michigan?)
You are most welcome--And yes, he does have a way of uplifting...just read all these comments here!
I do recall you saying you were also and meant to ask where in MI you were from. I was born in the UP, about 70 miles north of Marquette on the shores of Lake Superior. Beautiful country. I still have some family up there, but most are here and I'm now between Detroit and Ann Arbor in city of Livonia (about 100,000). Love it here. It's just a great community to live in.
Barb
First boyfriend of mine lived in Livonia! A LONG time ago.
I grew up very near. Near 12 mile rd. Mom is still there. I missed the trip back this October, as I like to go see the autumn leaves and visit the Franklin Cider Mill, but I was busy working and couldn't go when my sister went.
I've been there, but many years ago. Great place to visit in the fall as I'm sure many still do. I'm happy to hear someone here has heard of Livonia. (LOL) 12 Mile Road is not far at all. Don't travel that direction much, but am quite familiar with it. Well, I'm turning in now --- got involved reading the blog and forgot the time.
Barb




with the peppermint striped tie, anyway??? LOL!