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Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 12, 2008 - 6:16pm.

some very good ads here in Ohio.

Biden's hitting back on the "what kind of people would Obama listen to," and Obama's does a great job of explaining his tax plan.

It really pleased me to see both of them running back to back.

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Submitted by Dormaphaea on October 12, 2008 - 7:23pm.

As the Economy Sinks, So Do Odds of a Tax Cut
Thursday October 9, 6:15 pm ET
By Rick Newman | US News & World Report

    One of the riskiest financial moves you make this year could be listening to the presidential candidates--and banking on a tax cut after the November elections.

    John McCain and Barack Obama both promise that widespread tax cuts will be one major way they'll revive the economy and help lift consumers' sagging spirits. They differ, of course, on who should enjoy the largesse. McCain wants to cut estate and corporate income taxes, and extend broad-based tax cuts that were enacted earlier this decade. Obama agrees about extending some of those Bush era tax cuts, while offering lots of other relief to people earning less than $250,000 and raising taxes on the wealthy.

    But here's what you're not likely to hear either candidate say before Election Day on November 4: There's no money left for tax cuts.

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Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 12, 2008 - 7:30pm.

Fear & loathing.

True, there's no money left.

But then the US hasn't had any money for anything for years...but we keep right on spending billions of that "non-money" on a misbegotten war don't we.

Where is Roosevelt when you need him? "Nothing to fear but fear itself."

Sigh.

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Submitted by Dormaphaea on October 12, 2008 - 7:49pm.

HA!  After the last eight years, I eat fear and loathing for breakfast!  Goes down great with a nice hot cuppa coffee.


Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 12, 2008 - 8:11pm.

though I don't picture myself ruining a perfectly good cup of coffee by trying to gag fear and loathing down...I prefer toast and jam, m'self.

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Submitted by Dormaphaea on October 12, 2008 - 8:19pm.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.  Or in my case, just a wee bit crazier and stronger. ;-)


Submitted by ArleneG Florida on October 14, 2008 - 9:54pm.

For being one of the voices of reason left on this blog.

I remember a lot of personal stories from this blog. You lost your spouse a while back. Correct?

I've always admired you, from the sidelines, amongst others. I admire that you stay on this blog and post positive threads, no matter what. For that I thank you.

I love you post about Palin being a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I think her elevator to the 100th floor has stopped and has been stuck on floor 25.

I had to take 2 aspirin after watching her Couric Interview. And her stirring up her supporters........I won't go there.

Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 14, 2008 - 10:04pm.

but I admit, I've been just as bad as others sometimes. I try not to be but it does happen.

Yes, I did loose hubby a little over three years ago...still hurts.

What's been happening here for months now also hurts...guess I'm a glutton for punishment in regards to CCN.

Submitted by ArleneG Florida on October 15, 2008 - 12:37pm.

You are just a kind heart. And that is absolutely noting to be ashamed of. You made friends, and you hope that wounds will heal. And they may.

Submitted by OC on October 12, 2008 - 7:09pm.

"Make no mistake about it. We've done it before and we will do it again. America will once again rise from the ashes of the Bushes."

Submitted by Defoliate Bush on October 12, 2008 - 10:50pm.

...apparently doesn't know much about Bob Dole

Submitted by OC on October 12, 2008 - 11:40pm.

with this expression. Is he still alive ?

Submitted by Defoliate Bush on October 12, 2008 - 11:52pm.

since he trashed Wes on Larry King

..basically commenting on Dole's ability to 'rise from the ashes' with the emphasis on the action of rise

Submitted by OC on October 13, 2008 - 12:14am.

thank you for the info, probably there are a lot of Dole jokes out there.

Submitted by Defoliate Bush on October 13, 2008 - 8:38am.

Bob Dole can't even find a coalition of the willing in his pants

Submitted by OC on October 13, 2008 - 1:36pm.

some kind of Dole joke. Let me see,...

There are three midgets. The first midget claims he has the smallest hands in the world, the second midget the smallest feets and the third midget the smallest penis in the world. To proof that they travel to London to the guiness book of records.

1. midget comes out: Hurray, I have the smallest hands in the world, the crowd applaud in enthusiasm

2.midget comes out: Hurray, I have the smallest feets in the world, the crowd also applaud in enthusiasm

3. midget comes out and is very sad, the crowd is worried: what has happened ?
3.midget: Who the hell is Bob Dole ?

Submitted by Defoliate Bush on October 13, 2008 - 1:44pm.

^

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on October 13, 2008 - 7:16am.

it looks like his wife may be about to lose her Senate seat:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/13/north_carolina/


Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 13, 2008 - 7:19am.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving person. :)

Submitted by Tega on October 13, 2008 - 12:13am.

When a Clinton was President. It's a shame America didn't use their heads a bit more this time around (instead of being brained-washed by the media & believing the false racecard accusations).

Submitted by Patrick McKinnion on October 13, 2008 - 10:46pm.

....I look forward to casting my vote for her in 2016. Eight Years of Obama and Eight Years of Clinton should *start* to make up for the last eight years of Republican misrule.

Submitted by Tega on October 13, 2008 - 10:49pm.

November 2008.

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Submitted by Ruth on October 13, 2008 - 11:25pm.

Clinton and not Clark? Neither are on the ballot. Do you prefer her over Clark? Oh heck, write them both in Wes Clinton.


Submitted by Tega on October 14, 2008 - 9:31am.

I do not want BO or McCain to be President. Both don't have what it takes to be President in these tough times. The learning curve has to be short. We don't have time. We need help now.

Obama is not prepared to be President. Hillary clearly had a grasp of the issues so much more than Obama. I will not vote for someone I feel is not even close to being ready to be President.

If not Hillary, it will be Ralph Nader that gets my vote.

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Submitted by Dormaphaea on October 14, 2008 - 9:44am.

I've gotta wonder.  Really.  Honest ta gawd.  I hate to rehash this, but comments like, "I'll be happy to cast my vote for Hillary in 2016" just make no sense at all to me in light of what we've been through for the last eight years.

Why not the other way around?  What amazing qualifications does Obama bring, now, right now, at this time, during the many setbacks - what qualifications, experience - what does this guy bring that Hillary did not?

Oratory?  Ideology?  What?  

It's completely mind boggling.  You keep wondering why we who cannot get on the O bandwagon can't get on the bandwagon.  And statements like "oh Hillary will be great (ready? prepared? we just need to win now?) in eight years" just don't make any sense whatsoever.

We had our chances.  We tossed them aside for the media package. As long as we have ridiculous coverage of silly season 24/7 on an endless loop, we're doomed to the lowest common denominator - the media sensation, the darling, the cool kids.  

Wow.  Just - wow. 


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Submitted by Dormaphaea on October 14, 2008 - 10:28am.

Anyway.  Better find something else to look forward to.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_s_future 


Submitted by ms in la on October 14, 2008 - 11:52am.

as someone who has more than a passing interest in the items removed or scrubbed from the internets.... what was the article you just posted?

I got a page that said it no longer exists....

These are the kinds of things I like to... keep track of. :)

Let me know.

EDIT/UPDATE: I did a search and found this, which is probably what you were linking to?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_s_future

Maybe it got a rewrite and a new link?? But wait-- my link is the exact same as yours... and mine works and yours doesn't!!! Too weird!

Submitted by Patrick McKinnion on October 14, 2008 - 10:27am.

I went though the primaries saying if Sen. Clinton won I'd vote for her in the general election.

In my viewpoint, either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would and will make a good president.

If Clinton had won the primaries, I would have said I look forward to voting for Sen. Obama in 2016.

We had a surplus of very good candidates during the primaries. The worst of them better than the best of the GOP's candidates. Sen. Obama wasn't my first, second, or third choice, but he wasn't the worst of the lot either.

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on October 14, 2008 - 11:41am.

Senator Clinton will be nearly 70 years old in 2016. As if.


Submitted by Patrick McKinnion on October 14, 2008 - 12:48pm.

n/t

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Submitted by hf jai on October 14, 2008 - 10:27am.

At least, I hope you didn't.

Ruth asked, why write in Hillary but not Wes Clark? That's the first question that came to my mind as well. And you answered, because Hillary would do a better job that Obama or McCain. Which is tantamount to saying WKC would not, or that somehow he is a less serious alternative (as if that were possible).

Surely you didn't meant that... did you?


Submitted by shortie on October 14, 2008 - 10:43am.

I asked Wes to order me to vote for Obama. I got the look and the OK???? and everything.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

Submitted by Defoliate Bush on October 15, 2008 - 9:36am.

...can't even get his privates to obey orders and stand at attention

Submitted by shortie on October 15, 2008 - 11:24am.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

Submitted by Tega on October 15, 2008 - 8:15am.

Wes' first choice was HIllary. He KNOWS she was the candidate most prepared to be President and get us out of this hell hole.

Obama's team, media's talking heads, and Democratic leadership (that didn't have a backbone) squashed the votes in MI & FL and did a propaganda war against Hillary and for BO. Democratic leadership was afraid to lose the youth vote for future elections. KO & CM sure had a part of putting on the pressure to "select" their candidate (by squashing the MI & FL vote). If I heard one more time,"Hillary will win at all costs...she'll throw everything at Obama including the kitchen sink" I was going to go ballistic.

It was the Obama team/surrogates that played so dirty using the false racecard accusations. They used everything to slime Hillary. Yet, BO washes his hands clean of it like Pontius Pilate. Now, he and his team proclaim that McCain/Palin are playing the slime game. What goes around comes around.

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Submitted by hf jai on October 15, 2008 - 3:13pm.

Or just answer the question.

Hillary is no longer a candidate. If you are going to write in the name of someone who is not a candidate, why Hillary and not Wes?

The only reason the question matters is that there's a possibility, albeit a small one, that Hillary and Wes might both be candidates in 2012.


Submitted by Nelsons on October 12, 2008 - 9:25pm.

Some relatives were over today. One of them, who used to think that Bushco could do no wrong, and who over the past 7+ years just regurgitated what he heard from Limbaugh and the rest of the rightwing noise machine, said he's probably going to vote for Obama. Because? "McCain will probably be just four more years of the same." You could have knocked me over with a feather...

Proud to be an American.

Submitted by OC on October 12, 2008 - 10:27pm.

thank you for sharing, probably he had an epiphany from "The One"

Submitted by Alan on October 13, 2008 - 3:09am.

and I'm ready to vote! My vote on the top of the ticket won't matter much in the Lone Star state, but Rick Noriega might benefit.

I really look forward to this election being over, so the next president can be judged on his performance in office rather than spurious questions about his past associations. Yes, Obama got favorable treatment from the press, but it's not like his Democratic primary opponents, the GOP, and a bunch of professional character assassins (Rush, Hannity, that guy at noquarterusa.net, etc) haven't spent the time and money searching for dirt.... if anything, maybe in their zeal to spread false rumors and incendiary personal attacks, they've probably obscured anything negative Obama might have actually done.

At any rate, after 8 years of Bush, there will be a lot of work to do.

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Submitted by Ben on October 13, 2008 - 6:16am.

No further details on MSNBC.com at this time.


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on October 13, 2008 - 7:05am.

 STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Princeton economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman won the Nobel economics prize on Monday for his analysis of how economies of scale can affect trade patterns and the location of economic activity.

Krugman was the lone of winner of the 10 million kronor ($1.4 million) award and the latest in a string of American researchers to be honored.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences praised Krugman for formulating a new theory to answer questions about free trade.

"What are the effects of free trade and globalization? What are the driving forces behind worldwide urbanization? Paul Krugman has formulated a new theory to answer these questions," the academy said in its citation.

"He has thereby integrated the previously disparate research fields of international trade and economic geography," it said.

Link.


Submitted by Nelsons on October 13, 2008 - 7:53am.

I'm going to send him a congratulatory note.

Proud to be an American.

Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on October 13, 2008 - 6:38am.

"At some point, the McCain campaign will realize that their veep candidate is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic."

Ain't that the truth.

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on October 13, 2008 - 7:08am.

used to have a better command of the English language.


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on October 13, 2008 - 7:23am.

if this is the kind of thing Wes had in mind when he told us that McCain is "an impulsive guy."

McCain and the Forrestal tragedy


Submitted by taters on October 13, 2008 - 9:10am.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/paul-krugman-wins-economics-nobel/?hp

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

Submitted by taters on October 13, 2008 - 9:11am.

on this... ;)

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

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