Clarkie Diversion... What brought you to Wes Clark?
Submitted by madspawn on September 5, 2008 - 8:49am.
Democratic politics

With all the talk about Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin, etc, I thought it would be fun on this fine Friday to talk about what first brought you to Wes Clark. Did you first hear about him from a family member or friend? Or, was it something you read on the internet? Were you around since the beginning during the Draft Clark days? Or, are you a more recent fan?
I'll start with me. I haven't always followed politics like I do now. I think I started really paying attention during the Clinton years. I saw Bill Clinton speak twice in Columbus during 90's when he was running for his second term. The excitement of his speeches and the crowd drew me in. I put a candidate's bumpersticker on my car for the first time. Fast forward to 2003. Our country's a mess with W at the helm. We live in a post 9-11 world. The first politician that interested me running at the time was Howard Dean. He had a write up in Newsweek about raising money by posting a photo of him eating a turkey sandwich on the web. Very interesting, I thought. Maybe this will be the guy I support during the primary.
Then, my mom (mad4clark) came for a visit from her home in Florida and told me about this new guy General Wes Clark. My first reaction was uh, okay... you want to support a general to run for the nomination of the Democratic party? That seemed like a stretch to me. Well, she said...he's not exactly running yet. We have to draft him. She handed me a flyer about him. Just read it, she said. I did, and that was that... I was firmly in Clark's camp.
So, I started researching more about him. I found out how "scary smart" he was... how he graduated first in his class at West Point...how he saved 1.5 Albanians from ethnic cleansing. The more I read, the more I liked him. The draft petition was successful and he was off and running. We were thrilled... so much hope and promise we had back then. He was our perfect candidate.
And then of course, there was CCN. What an amazing place... so many smart, well informed people. You got your daily news there... forget the MSM. I was 2kids2canines during the first incarnation of CCN. When CCN was revamped, I became madspawn as sadly I lost one of my canines and since my mom had become so active on CCN I thought madspawn would fit me better. I wasn't always super active on CCN, but mom was and she'd e-mail me or call me with the happenings there. I always felt connected the CCN community that way.
When Wes dropped out (snif, snif) I got the opportunity to meet him and Catherine when they came to Columbus when he was stumping for Kerry. And, of course I got to meet so many of you wonderful bloggers. :)
So, tell your story and take a trip down memory lane with me. Try to keep it light and keep current politics out of it. This is meant to be fun! Okay, your turn....

I observed him on CNN. Found him saying incredibly intelligent, thoughtful things. Totally out of line with my expectations for a career military guy. Obviously not getting his talking points from the Pentagon. And I sat up and paid attention because I was a totally freaked out mom of an Army officer in training. Thought, why can't we have somebody like this running for President? This is someone I could actually trust with my son's life. So I did my research, heard that there was actually a movement to draft him, and I was sold. Constantly wondering if he was too good to be true. Constantly finding out, with so many others in this group, that he was everything he seemed to be and so much more. Going from being a "fan" and "supporter" to realizing, there's so much to LEARN from listening to this guy--he's a natural teacher.
But, of course, too honest to be a politician in our filthy system. Alas. Having his voice in the public discourse remains ever so important, IMO. But I no longer hope for the best, understand I CAN'T have a President I can trust with my son's life,understand so much more than I ever did previously about how rigged the system is against We the People, and am TRYING to swallow my fear and get on with my life.
Saw him on CNN. Noticed he was quite different from all the other military analysts in that he didn't seem to be enjoying it. Then Aaron Brown (was that who it was?) asked him if he was running and I thought, "Why would a Republican run against Bush in the primary?" (momentary pause) "OMG!!! He's a DEMOCRAT!!!" Then I jumped up and did a happy dance all around the family room. I thought we were actually going to beat Bush. A retired general, who doesn't get giddy about killing, who's a DEMOCRAT! I was sold.
And then, like you Susan, it just grew from there. I started reading what he said, and geez, he wasn't just a Democrat, he was an honest to god LIBERAL! And then, wow, he's honest. And has a spine. And let's us all say whatever we want on his website. Oh, and then I think the last thing I noticed, he's HOT!!!
Yep, waaaaay too good to be true. :) Well, at least waaaay too good for politics.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
Watching his analysis of Iraq beginning in March of 2003, I saw that General Clark treated everyone with the same respect. He really stood out compared to the rest of the retired military analysts, regardless of which station they were on.
Proud to be an American.

That day will be etched in my mind forever.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
In front, Kramer, Wes, and Spring. Behind Kramer
is Just Call me Ohio, then Jen, Richsez with
his big smile, and Susancleveland over Wes's
right shoulder. Ruth is over his left shoulder,
and the woman in the black and white tee is
someone who just wanted to be in the picture.
I'm a bit of gray hair and one lens of glasses
behind the unknown person.

Didn't Kramer pop in here about a year ago? I always liked her. I haven't seen Spring around in ages. I don't remember her real name, but she does live nearby in Dublin I think. We talked on the phone a couple of times before Clark came to town. She was one of the people who sorta talked me into being a chauffeur for the Clark entourage. ;)
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
Hi madspawn:
This is a really good post!
I was a disillusioned previously Republican voter and I knew that Bush was a very lousy, extremely ideological, and an incompetent President who was abusing his authority.
Bush was listening to Neocon ideologues like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz instead of the sane foreign policy people who his father listened to like James Baker and Brent Scowcroft and I was very opposed to the war in Iraq which I knew was a war of choice as opposed to a war of necessity.
I realized that Saddam Hussein was a "bad guy" but I also knew that he was fully contained and that he was never an imminent threat to us or to anyone else!
I knew that Bush had to go in 2004 so I shopped around all of the serious Democratic candidates and I was a soft Kerry supporter before Gen. Clark had announced. I did not think that Kerry was really great but I thought that he was the best of all the announced candidates at that time.
Then when I heard Gen. Clark announce, I was very impressed with what I saw and heard.
Gen. Clark had the right foreign policy message, he was really above partisanship specifically asking for the support of Republicans and Independents, and he was interested in truly uniting the country:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/07/cf.00.html
CNN CROSSFIRE
Aired July 7, 2003 - 16:30 ET
JOHN HLINKO, DRAFTWESLEYCLARK.COM: "To be the uniter, not a divider... Well, you've got to understand, the movement we have right now is uniting Republicans, Democrats, Greens, libertarians, you name it. And these are people who are voting for a man. They're not looking for a party..."
http://www.clark04.com/speeches/001/
Announcement Speech
Wesley K. Clark
September 17, 2003 - Little Rock, AR
Americans for Clark Announcement Day in Little Rock at Boys & Girls Club
"And when I say we're going to bring people together, I mean all people, not just Democrats, but Independents, and Republicans, too. And especially those who have never participated before. You'll come with us."
http://www.clark04.com/speeches/002/
For Immediate Release
September 24, 2003
Contact: Clark Campaign Press Office
Gen. Wesley K. Clark Announces Bold Job Creation Plan to Reverse Three Years of Failed Bush Policies
"I'm promoting a New American Patriotism - because it is vital to the life and health of this country that we criticize our leaders fairly - but freely. Some ask: How can you criticize the President at a time of war? I answer: "How can you not?" Eighteen months ago, Mr. Bush said in his State of the Union Address: "My economic security plan can be summed up in one word: "jobs." We can now sum it up in one word: "failure." We cannot afford failure. We can't be forced to accept failure just because we're at war. In fact, we cannot tolerate failure precisely because we are at war.
I am not making a partisan comment. The chance to earn a living is not a partisan issue. Yet when we point out the facts, they will call us unpatriotic; or they will call us left-wing liberals - even though I have been non-partisan my whole professional life. I don't oppose the President's policies because they are Republican policies. I oppose them because they don't work. If they worked, I wouldn't be here. If he admitted they didn't work and changed them, I wouldn't be here."
http://www.clark04.com/speeches/003/
Remarks to DNC Fall Meeting
General Wesley K. Clark
Remarks to DNC Fall Meeting
Washington, DC
October 3, 2003
"This New American Patriotism is not just about waving the flag and guarding our borders. It's about guarding what makes us distinctive as Americans - our personal liberties, our right to debate and dissent. We are not a country that manipulates facts, ignores debate, and stifles dissent. We are not a country that retaliates against people who criticize the government. We are not a country that disdains our friends and allies. We are not a country that sheds blood before every other option has been exhausted. And we can't have a government that stands for any of these things.
And that's why I'm running for President - to return America to the core ideals of our democracy: personal liberty; service to country; respect for others; the right to criticize and correct the government - in time of war, especially. Debate, dialogue, discussion, disagreement, dissent - that's not wrong - that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it."
No other candidate was talking like this back in 2004 and I could tell that Gen. Clark was really sincere so I joined his campaign within about a week of his 2003 announcement and worked as hard as I could to try and help get him elected. I have been a Clark supporter ever since then!
I have met Gen. Clark on several occasions and I know for certain that he is the real deal with the best experience and judgment!
Mitch Dworkin

I've told my story a number of times, so I'll do the short version.
Late 2002-early 2003 were "change of life" times for me. I had been in an assisted living facility (actually a private home with a 24/7 care provider, all of whose residents other than me were Alzheimer's patients) still recovering from my 1999 stroke. I was probably in a depression, although I didn't use that term at the time. But I didn't care about much of anything and didn't pay any attention to the news.
Jan and I decided to divorce, and the administration started making Iraq war noises. As a "former Naval person," I was vehemently against the concept of pre-emptive war. I started paying attention, and started thinking about living independently.
I turned to CNN for news about the impending war. My favorite show was Aaron Brown's "Newsnight." This articulate, reasonable, enlightened retired four-star general kept showing up. "Holy s**t!" I thought. Who is this guy? I was particularly attracted to his continual harkening to traditional American values. Everything he said really resonated with me.
I moved out of assisted living, bought a computer and a car, and started living something of a real life. My first use of the new computer was a search of this guy Wesley Clark. Everything I learned cemented his appeal to me. I discovered the Draft, joined first DraftWesleyClark, then SecuringAmerica.com LeadershipforAmerica.com [corrected 9/6] (Clark's own blog site), and DraftClark2004. I attended the first Denver MeetUp on July 8, and joined the Yahoo! group that night.
The rest is more or less history.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

I got to "know" General Wes during the war in Kosovo.
I used to watch the CSPAN's during the day while I did my chores and things. It would just be on and I would listen to whatever they had on while I worked. Wes was doing the press conferences and such during the war. He would come on and I would find myself stopping whatever it was I was doing and sit down and listen. After he was done....I'd notice I had stopped everything maybe with a dishtowel in my hand or whathaveyou and I would say....."oh...whoops....I'm supposed to be getting my work done!".
Then I would find myself thinking about what he had said. Always learning something. And for some reason...I didn't know why....there was a trust about what he said and I could tell there was something special about him inside....something personally special....not just about what he said on the outside.
I really didn't see him on CNN that much because I guess I wasn't watching much CNN at that time. But...
When I heard about the draft of General Wes for prez...I signed on without hesitation. The more I learned about him and saw him and heard from him.....the more I found I was right about my instincts where Wes was concerned. And...
That's about the size of it. :)
Great diary, madspawn. I look forward to reading everyone's stories.

I remember when Wes was released as NATO commander! I didn't pay as much attention then, as I was supporting a family as a single parent and trying to make ends meet. However, I thought WOW Why did they let that guy go!!!
Then as many here (Stan, Mad)I watched Aaron Brown, while we bombed Iraq, and Wes was the war commentator, I said, "WOW, that guy REALLY DOES know his stuff and why isn't he running this country. He is so intelligent and knowledgable. Then of course, I started detailed researching. Yikes, what a hero I found! Then I bookmarked anything Wes Clark.. When the draft started, was one to the first 100 with Stan and Maddy. The rest is history.
I weep for my Country!
It does us good to return to the source I think and recall what drew all us moths to this flame in the first place.
I feel like each of these stories is part and parcel of my own as well. My hubby and I had both been literally devastated, pummeled by the bush stolen 2000 fiasco. From the stopping of the ballot count to that dreaded evening on the steps of the Supreme Court with all the flustered journalists scrambling, trying to make sense of that fateful decision while the cameras were running. We were glued to the tube to witness the onset of the death of democracy.... We knew instinctively some dark corner had been turned.
As the bush era grabbed the country in a wrestling stranglehold - we became keyboard and roadside activists, determined to learn everything that was being squashed by the press and spread the word.
CNN was pretty much the station of choice in those days at home. And that's where we first laid eyes on this amazing General who just made you stop in your tracks and listen up. (like Mariner) He commanded your attention ...without trying. This guy was not just cranking out the same ole lines as the other actors. This guy was talking to us. Telling us things no one else was. Making us tune out everything else.
My hubby and I sat there transfixed one night, listening to Wes's military analysis, and just turned to each other - almost as if choreographed- and both simultaneously moaned;
"Why can't HE be our President???"
We had become official whiners.
Found CCN immediately thereafter-- spent a long time as "Anonymous" here - signing my posts as ms in la. A friendly Anon as opposed to the trolling type. :-) The timing was perfect because I had been searching for a circle of politically active & aware friends- my local buddies were great but most of them only peripherally involved in politics. I needed to find colleagues in the cause, people who cared as passionately as we did and wanted to do something to change things. Election integrity became a central cause when they stopped the count in Fla.-- an obsession. People here at CCN were electric with information, heart, soul, and wit. I'd struck gold!
Reading all these personal stories -- that same wistful tone of 'hope' that we all shared in those early Wes days stands out -- when we all thought for the first time that this man was not only destined to be our President, but was in fact clearly on the road to be elected to the highest office in the land.
Phone banking - esp Tennessee comes to mind!-- it seemed like he was really getting through to people. And those who didn't quite know him-- what an easy sell he was! You could just rattle off that resume and there wasn't a living soul that wouldn't respond and be duly impressed. He was a candidate that you'd wake up at sunrise to phone bank for, bursting with enthusiasm.
Years go by -- dreams of his Presidential run die. Then of his Vice Presidency. Then again of his possible presidency second time around, and as of just recently (for some of us) even dreams of his possible cabinet position die.
That spells grief.
For a country in dire need. :(
But the thing about General Clark-- his call to duty and love of country is SO compelling, deep, and powerfully ingrained in his hard drive.... that he will likely always find his own avenue to best contribute of his amazing pool of talents and knowledge to the country. He just doesn't do 'passive'.
Thanks for this warm fuzzy blog madspawn. :)

She may have mentioned him to me before, during the conflict in Kosovo, but it's also possible that the first time was in 2002 when she was just about to graduate with a Masters in International Affairs from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. Her thesis, which she started in 2000 (over a year before the 9/11 attacks), described the vital importance of dealing with the threat of al-Qaida and Osama bin Ladin. Prior to those attacks, she was the only student at Fletcher studying that. Her proposals as to how to deal with al-Qaida and Osama were similar to what only a relative few well-known American national security experts like Wes were saying.
I didn't get around to taking her advice until shortly after Wes announced for the Presidency in September of 2003. Was very impressed by what I was able to learn. Went to his stopover in Denver in November of 2003 and was thereby convinced that he really did have what it took to get elected. Made my first contribution that night, began advocating frequently for him at other websites where I was already known (principally for my work on Irish issues), and eventually began posting occasionally at the old Clark website as "Irish". Also attended and worked as many local anti-war events as I could for Wes until he suspended. Colorado's caucuses weren't held until way after that, and I wore both my Clark and Kucinich buttons to those. Worked my --- off for Kerry. Sort of suspended most of my political activity for a while after Kerry's loss, although I did occasionally lurk at general discussion threads at the old site, and enjoyed quite a few very intelligent posts. In 2006, I finally decided to post here, this time openly using my name as my on-line identity.
Nick Kelly
Wes Clark could still secure America as a national security candidate.
You could say that I had an "insider's interest" in the F-16 operations launched from Aviano, Italy in support of the NATO bombing campaign of 1999 and was well aware of who the Supreme Allied Commander was at that time. The wise application of that force put an end to that genocide while at the same time kept us from unnecessarily using ground forces.
Then, just briefly after that I get to see "the man" offering sage advice on CNN as their military analyst in the wake of 9/11 and warning against our misplaced aggression against Iraq.
That's what I want to see in a leader in control of US Forces...someone who knows when and how to use it and when not to.

to the party compared to many of you. I hadn't heard of General Clark until I went to see Michael Moore in Santa Cruz, September, 2003. He was advocating for this General to be our next president, which seemed very weird to me. But the more he talked about him, the more intrigued I became.
Went home and googled around a bit and read up on him, found a Santa Cruz for Clark group and joined. I was kind of shocked at first to find all these old hippies, Democrats, Independents and even a few Republicans as part of the group. The funny thing was we all had so much in common, and knew we were supporting a special, incredible man who had what it takes to lead our country to a place we could all be proud of.
Soon after that, I found CCN and joined up but didn't say a peep for a few months, as I had never been on a blog in my life. It was sort of the same reaction as joining the SC for Clark group -- there were all these people who never imagined they'd be supporting a General, all these people who I seemed to have so much in common with. And so many people who never felt they could make a difference, were now inspired and motivated to get involved.
It's funny how once you get a glimpse of what a real leader looks like, you realize how few of them we have in our political world. And once you see what the powers that be do when such a person comes on the political scene, it's almost enough to turn one away from politics all over again. I think if General Clark ever decided to turn away from it all, I prolly would, too. As long as he stays in the fight, I'll be one of his troops.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

this would net some great stories! As I read through all your posts, I end up getting a lump in my throat.
Wow, Stan... so it sounds like the General sorta saved your life! What an amazing story.
And many of you seem to have heard of him and became fans before he threw his hat in the ring in '03. Very impressive!
Keep these stories coming... they are all great!!!
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem

Yes, I've used almost that exact language. I think my original story blog said, "It's not too much of a stretch to say that the prospect of a Clark candidacy saved my life." It certainly did emotionally and psychologically. I had felt that I was of no value to anyone, and the Clark Movement changed all that.
Clarkies are now my family.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
Remember wanting him very badly to announce he was running, and I was jubilant when he did. I was very idealist then. I thought a great American like Clark could win against the Republican fear machine and lead America into a non-partisan tomorrow. I was sick of politicians and I wanted a leader.
Then I got involved in the campaign, writing letters to New Hampshire, making phone calls, etc. and started blogging on this site.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Clarkie since Summer, 2003
Except that I didn't get CNN on the TV. I read about the draft Clark campaign on CNN.com when he was a commentator there. I had followed the Balkan wars closely, even writing letters to the editor, and I not only knew how complicated they were, I knew that we had done the right thing, if we did it late.
I googled General Clark. The only negative website I could find was some Serb nationalist diatribe saying they would crush him. Imagine, it was still up on the web years later. Then I googled the Draft Clark campaign, signed up, and I've been a Clarkie ever since. Remember that special webcast? "All right, all right. You got me. I'm in."?
I remember Noel Schutz asking a similar question years ago, and my giving a top ten list of why I was a Clarkie. They still hold. I wish he had run again this time. I hope he will later, and especially I hope he will have a position in an Obama administration. He's the best we've got in the US, and I'm very proud he became a Democrat when he got out of the service.
I was a Kerry supporter prior to Clark's entry into the 2004 race, for all the usual reasons--Vietnam vet, good Progressive, lots of exprerience, etc. I felt he was doing well in early debates, but my wife said "Not so fast; Kerry sounds like he's lecturing, talking over people's heads, just not connecting with people." Once we started to notice Wes Clark, it turned to "OH MY GOD! THIS MAN HAS IT" (the indefinable "IT" that you know when you see it). The absolute clincher was Clark's first town hall meeting in Heniker, NH right after the first debate that he was in. That meeting was shown only on CSPAN, and it is since gone from the archives. The man was amazing, a political neophyte handling and connecting with the crowd like Bill Clinton. Answering any and all questions with sincerity, knowledge, compassion. I'll never forget a very hostile question from a woman, now retired from the military, who said that she was a victim of abuse in the military and nothing ever happened to the perpetrator, and what would he, General Clark, do about that? The woman was so upset and hostile, she was shaking. Instead of being defensive or blowing her off, he looked her in the eye and apologized for the military for what happened to her. He asked her if she used the chain of command for redress. She said "yes, but," and Clark said "Didn't work, did it?" "No." Clark went on to explain how they worked very hard in his commands for equality of opportunity, equal treatment, no abuse, etc., but understood that there were still problems, and that, as president, he would work hard with the military to correct the deficiencies. He also volunteered to speak privately with the woman after the meeting to learn more about her situation so that he could help. The woman melted before our eyes! I found out afterwards that Clark met privately with her for 20 min. after the town hall and that her complaint was serious--she had been raped. Instances such as this convinced me that Wes Clark only needed sufficient exposure to have the following to be elected President. Once people get to know this man's intelligence, character, compassion, integrity, and depth of real world experience, they become dedicated Clarkies.

One of the all-time best. Oh, how I wish the whole country could have seen that event. The race would have ended that night with a vote for Clark for President by acclamation.
How he responded to the aggrieved woman...how he made personal eye-contact...very, very, poignant.
Some comments in the Yahoo! group at the time (September 26, 2003):
Comments on the Henniker town hall continued with BraveJet69:
Whenever I hear something about the General that causes me concern, all I have to do is see him, and listen to him speak. That will clear away all doubt. He was so good tonight. You can tell his answers come straight from his heart. You can feel that he wants to set everything right in this nation.
And Vickie Carter:
I concur with all of the aforementioned comments about our spectacular candidate. I'm in la la land (home of the despicable recall) and this man is "straight out of central casting". He is brilliant, mesmerizingly (is there such a word?) telegenic and articulate and beautifully spoken. He exudes strength, character and courage.
I loved his gracious, warm casual manner after the speech. What a guy! What a winner!!!
Susan Jervis/SusieKew2003 to BraveJet:
This is such an excellent point. SEEING is believing with Clark. He is so excellent in this format... the more townhalls he holds in primary states the better.
Gabriele Drozdowski had missed it and asked for details:
Susan and everyone else,
Unfortunately I had to miss the Town Hall Meeting due to my work. Could some of you please share details with those of us who could not watch? I'll try to stay awake tonight to tape the repeat on C-Span, but any
questions/answers and feelings you could share until then would be very welcome. Thanks.SW_315 put it in perspective:
He was absolutely amazing. I still have a smile stuck on my face!
This is the first time since I knew he was running that I've really seen him live up to the potential that I knew he had.
After all this focus on campaign logistics and tactics and issues, it was great to be reminded of why I care about all those details. He's the real thing, and if he keeps this up, he's going all the way. I don't think any one who saw him tonight would make the mistake of doubting that he has very real and very passionate supporters!
Eleny Poelker related the most important moment of the night:
Gabrielle,
One woman asked him what he was going to do about women in the military who were molested while in the military. And Clark apologized to her since he said he was in high administration in the military and they didn't do enough to protect women.
She was welling up with tears and so was I. His initial response of apology was so simple yet so totally right. He's an amazing individual who knows how to get to the heart of certain matters.
Anisha's review:
He continually inspires - THAT'S amazing. We need to get everyone in this country out to vote.
Next was Kimberly/MySistersHouse:
It was absolutely wonderful -- perfect! They also have a good thread on DU with most of the comments.SW_315, on the magic moment:It looked to me like he had to struggle a bit himself to maintain his composure after that answer, it was clearly heartfelt.
And overall:
* He talked to the audience instead of at them.
* He addressed complex issues in an understandable but not dumbed down way.
* This may be a more personal reaction, but he has the rare ability to reach me both intellectually and emotionally at the same time.My summary:
I just watched my tape of the NH town meeting. Wow! I was totally carried away. Such poise. Such brilliance. Such confidence. Such a good suit and tie.
Any of you that were there, please identify yourselves. I want to put faces with the e-mail addresses I've been corresponding with for three months. Tell me what you were wearing and where in the room you were.
Then Lida/Baroness01:
I was able to watch the Town Hall meeting in NH without interruption and I thought General Clark was fantastic! I am so motivated tocampaign for this man.
Folks, I'd like to mention that Tri-Cities (Kingsport - Johnson City - Bristol) now has 42 Meet-up members! and Clark 2004 has 29,766 members nationwide. The momentum is building....
Just got the okay to plan a get-together next Thursday evening 7:00 pm Oct. 2nd at the Atlanta Bread Company in Johnson City. The Atlanta Bread Company location should be convenient for Bristol, Kingsport
and Johnson City residents.I called the manager and explained there might be 30-40 Clark supporters meeting there. The manager, Julie, didn't have a problem with it. The Atlanta Bread Company offers soups, sandwiches, gourmet coffee and a variety of pastries. They are located near the new(ish) Barnes and Noble bookstore.I replied to SW_315:"This may be a more personal reaction, but he has the rare ability to reach me both intellectually and emotionally at the same time."
That's very good. In other terms, the digital and analog components-the words and the affect-of his messages are totally congruent. Just like Bill Clinton and other speakers with charisma. All communication channels say the same thing.
Katy/HorseyAtMerrDotComm took a turn:
He was unbelievable tonight. I was impressed with every answer he gave, and with how comfortable and confident he looked. Even when he was met with a question for which he has not fully formulated his answer, he didn't seem to be defensive about it - he just pointed out that they're working on it.
I love how he's meeting the "New Democrat" controversy head on.
I really was happy with his response to the Patriot Act question - being very clear in wanting to know not only every detail of the Act, but how it has been used to date, and what terrorist-prevention it has provided.
Yes, when he talked with the woman who had been abused in the military, I was in tears, too.
I'm SO jealous of the people who live in the early states like New Hampshire - they get SO much more access to the candidates. Those kids flopped down on the floor right in front of him had better appreciate what they are witnessing - the re-birth and rescue of our country right in front of their very eyes.
And YES, he IS the most handsome of all the candidates. And it's fun to see his sincere delight in seeing the crowd reaction, the posters, the shirt he was given as a gift... If he can let the negative crap roll off his back, I think he'll really have a great time with this campaign.
Katy - in Wisconsin, not the hotbed of primary campaigning...
Followed by poor Alexandra Richards/ClarkWins2004:
Wish I had a video of it...we don't have cable TV...but thanks for making it sound so good. Next time, if I have earlier notice, I'll visit with some friends. Hope the General stays safe (I worry about him -- those radical GOP conservatives are desperate by now).Gary Stewart/Guruoo forwarded a synopsis from his Tennessee group:From: Marcus Lee <marcuswlee@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [TennesseeForClark] Wesley Clark Rolling Stone interviewAll,
I Just finished watching the General on C-span. It was a town meeting in Henniker, New Hampshire. I was impressed to say the least. For 10 days into the campaign he has a great grasp of the issues and he speaks intelligently while still drawing you into the conversation. I continue to be impressed by the down-to-earth and human qualities he conveys. I suppose they call that charisma.
A synopsis of what he said:
1) Free Trade -- Essential to a growing economy, but any free trade agreements need to have human, labor, and work environment issues addressed. He would be tough on China's attempt to peg their currency to an artificial standard, thus making their goods more inexpensive in the US and driving up the US trade deficit into the tens of billions.2) Palestine/Israel -- Find solutions to the issues of Jerusalem, boundaries, and settlements. Improve communication. Establish a Framework. Become involved at the very highest levels (as Clinton and Carter have done).
3) Healthcare -- extend the established programs we have today to cover more people. (the remainder he reported that he would work on over the next 2 weeks).
4) Homeland security -- Clark says that Bush has used billions for homeland security, but still hasn't spent it on things that REALLY add to security such as police and enforcement officers.
5) Patriot Act -- he is very skeptical that the patriot act is entirely necessary and should be revisited and changed as necessary.
6) Balance the Budget -- cancel the tax cut for the upper class. Progressive taxation is necessary since people who make more money can more easily afford the expense.
7) Environment -- he gave a commitment to try to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, improve auto standards, increase research push to develop alternative energy sources and more efficient standards. He said "I am an Environmentalist"
My friends -- he has the record, the ability and, from my point of view, the platform. Find one or two new fiends to bring to the meet-up. He won't get elected without support.
Marc Lee, Chattanooga
Mary Porter noted how long it took Clark to leave the room:
This runs 90 min. Be sure and watch all the way to the end. He does a great job answering questions and schmoozing as he's leaving. He took a full 15mins to get to the door.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

I don't have much luck pasting things from Word documents.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

After the start of the Iraq war, which I was vehemently agains. He popped up on the screen, and I was instantly electrified by his analysis and demeanor. The fact that he was a four star General really bugged the hell out of me, since I had spent all of my life being anti-war, and anti-military (as one of those hippies from the 60s).
My interest in him was instant and deep. I began searching for information about him immediately, and the more I read, heard, and saw, the more it became clear to me that it was time I updated some of my out-dated opinions.
To this day, I am still as anti-war and anti the "military industrial complex" (which is really what I was against to begin with), vs. just being anti-military.
But my opinion has changed about judging someone just because they are in the military - especially when we have someone like Wes Clark in the midst of it FIGHTING THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, while fighting to end wars, genocide, and unilateral actions against other countries.
It was a real lesson for me, and a rewarding one. I ended up comparing him to the great warriors of Native American legends, speaking the truths, and fighting only when it was needed to protect their people (after so many treaties had been shat upon).
That is why the Native American people endorsed Wes Clark in 2003.
Anyway, after becoming ignited, for the first time in my life, in a presidential campaign, I became part of the "Draft Clark 2004" movement, and ended up being one of the co-moderators of the Clark 2004 Yahoo list with Stan, and also became a co-ordinator of the Clark Campaign here in Santa Barbara.
Have been on board ever since, and will be on board with Clark forever, as far as I can tell. I, like you, have gone through tons of disappointments and disillusionments, unwanted awareness of massive corruption and power, media influences.
Sometimes I really wish I could go back to my time of innocence, but that just won't do. I know too much, and we all need to keep on fighting. Who else is there to do it if we don't? Not enough people are aware, even at this point. We must keep this going and work together. Even candidates no longer matter.
All we really need to do is to look at Wes Clark, his life, his message, his integrity, and his perserverance and service to our country.
"It does not take many words to tell the truth". Chief Joseph, Nez Perce
I was disturbed all during the run-up to the Iraq war--had a queasy feeling that we were about to become a different kind of nation--one that is rushing headlong to abandon the "traditional values" of peacefulness and respect for other sovereign nations.
In 2003 I heard of this 4 star general who might run as a Democrat against Bush and I thought...well, don't know if I really trust a military guy...but he's got to be better than Bush...and the only type of Democrat who could beat him." I was pleased on September 17, 2003, but still skeptical...then I saw Clark at a NH town meeting, and I was "in love" with a candidate, for the first and only time!
Clark did not have the arrogance that I expected. He was earnest, sincere, approachable. Yet very much a general. I knew this man could re define the Democratic party--he could be our Eisenhower.
I was eventually disilluioned by the lying media, especially figures I had heretofore respected, like Judy Woodruff. I saw the media for what it was, and realized that our media would actively work against a candidate like Clark. I have given up the dream of having such an ideal Democratic candidate. However, I wouldn't trade my time as a Clark volunteer. It was a very happy, positive time in my life.

I guess I should blame Bush! I was never very politically active before. But after 4 very long dreaded years of Bush I was desperately searching for a Democrat that could beat Bush.
I was a member of quite a few Yahoo Genealogy sites. So I suppose that it how someone obtained my e-mail address.
But anyway I learned that the field of Democrats was very crowded. And I began my search. And it wasn't long before someone in a yahoo group e-mailed me about General Clark.
And from then on I was hooked. It wasn't long after (I think late 2003) I joined the Clark 04 site. The rest is history.
I was home in spring 2000 recovering from
an injury, and watching way too much TV--saw BU$H
on TV yammering "I'm a uniter..." crap
my response was: who is this f guy?
he was so dumb, I thought he was dangerous,
so I voted for mccain in the primary
the same year I saw our General testify before
Congress---I though my god does this guy have it together!
when I was told Wes was running, the memory
bank kicked and I helped get
Wes on the ballot in RI, and volunteered
in NH, and then later in AZ
the more I learned, the more I liked
it was a privilege supporting Gen Wes Clark
Bill (from RI)

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Divide those up between yourselves. Beautiful posts. I'm having a hard time tonight, and those posts have just sent me over the edge with memories and the realization, again, of how much I appreciate our General.
Oh my, what might have been.
During his run at CNN in the run up to the Iraq war and the early days of the conflict, I was disappointed when CNN stopped bringing him on and gave all the airtime to the more hawkish generals. I thought that would be the last I would hear of General Clark until on a summer edition of CNN's "Crossfire" interviewed the founder of Draft Clark.
I thought after watching his analysis of the lead up to the war, and the war itself that he would make a great president. I wasn't even old enough to vote at the time, I wouldn't be 18 until December 03, but I signed the draft Clark petition like many others here did. I donated money, by check of course, I've never had a credit card. I phone banked and I voted for Wes in the Virginia Primary.
On a side note: I never forgave Joe Lieberman for calling Wes a "closet Republican". The irony of that still makes me either laugh or want to scream depending on the mood I'm in...

I'm sticking with screaming lately. Once a day, at least. Sometimes I stomp my feet for effect.
OT - My neighbor is on his front porch...barking. Hmmm....maybe not so off topic? Perhaps that's what he chooses to do to 'let it all out' although I've never heard him do it before. In any case, it's got Wild Eye James all bent outta shape. I think it's time for bed and dreams of what might have been. As soon as my neighbor quits...barking.
It just gets weirder and weirder round here.
Not quite sure about barking, I've never tried that before, but if things keep going the way they have een it may well be worth looking into.
But all joking aside I think once the nightmare is over, when I tell my kids about all of this, many years from now, Lieberman and the rest of the clowns will be laughable, it would be laughable right now, if it wasn't so real.
If you see someone on the who's online list that you don't think has contributed, please point them here and have them add what they can.

I'd love to hear how you came to know and love our General! :D
But if you'd rather not, that's okay, too. ;)
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
It's not just MY story though... it's John's and Clay's too. I couldn't tell it without including their stories as well, but now's not the time.

...people who first discovered Gen. Clark on the June 15, 2003 "Meet the Press."
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
Probably one of the interviews when they told him to get his f***ing face off the tv. I could tell that this guy was a straight shooter, a lot of honor and integrity. I came here shortly after the draft and read some of his policy statements, very impessive. But what really sold me was something about Plato and the higher metals of human charactor. I was sure this was the guy we needed for those, or for that matter these times. He was also the guy most Americans would be happy to vote for. he would have beat GeeDubs ass in the general. If only he could have got half the press of Dean...or Sarah Palin.

This is what it is all about! Let's share our loves, our dreams, and try to be our very best, with tolerance and respect for each other. Let's find the things we have the common, like why we are here in the first place. Let's focus on the issues we agree upon, rather than those we disagree upon. I really think we can hold it all together here if we can discipline ourselves to do that.
"It does not take many words to tell the truth". Chief Joseph, Nez Perce
I caught interest for Wes Clark was in "Face the Nation". His unpopular comment " McCain is untested and untried" simply faced the Nation´s truth. So I started to research and found this interesting 4 star general Clark community network. His great biography on Youtube " American Son: Wes Clark".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKchifzp2Po
I like to listen to the radio clips always informative etc.
So Iam looking forward to see the process of this community. Specially when a Democrat is in the White House again, I can´t wait.
THE BEST DAYS FOR THE CLARK COMMUNITY ARE STILL AHEAD.

I actually started writing about this when I first came here, then never got time to finish... But...
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/2192
NON BENE PRO TOTO VENDITUR LIBERTAS AURO
(Liberty is not sold for any kind of gold)

Way back in the early 1990's when the United States together with our European allies (through NATO) collaborated to end the genocide in the Balkans, my cousin who is very, very, very, very well placed in the Italian government lauded the work of General Clark--who was Supreme Commander of NATO.
Of factual interest, the Europeans are, to this very day, far closer to General Clark, collaboratively-speaking, and are, thus, far more respectful of his achievements due to his intellectual brilliance.
As you know, the Italian government (as did other European governments) awarded General Clark a Medal of Freedom/Merit for his dedicated work towards the stabilization of the Balkans.
It is tragic that at that time, and, I suspect even today, our own U.S. media did (does) not make an effort to publicly recognize General Clark's skills in diplomacy, military strategy, military tactics, and international collaboration. As I have stated, it took my cousin, who lives 9,000 miles away in Terni (Umbria), Italy to enlighten our family about Honourable General Wesley K.Clark.
Based on my cousin's knowledge of General Clark, I continued my research.
Come 2003, when the "Draft Clark" movement started to "take hold," a very close friend of mine initiated the "Draft Clark" Napa Office. I made of point of working with him. I am convinced that had General Clark been nominated either President or Vice-President (and hopefully elected) in 2004, we would not have had to endure these past four years of continued pain and sorrow--not only in the U.S. but throughout the world at-large.
While I am a U.S. citizen, and while, I, to this very day, serve our country in many socially responsible ways for the betterment of our community, I still think like a European--read: brain power. That is why I, to this very day, am a General Clark supporter--and always will be.
On a personal note, I hope that General Clark will be placed in the Obama Cabinet. Without General Clark, I am convinced that we, as concerned U.S. citizens, will really, really be burnt "toast." Also, I pray that Barack Obama will name his Cabinet "A.S.A.P, " and, that, to this end, General Clark's name will appear on the Cabinet roster. That is if we want victory for the betterment of human/creature-kind.
Michael Joseph Matteucig

Thanks for the story.
A clarification: You said "the early 1990s." Gen. Clark didn't become Supreme Allied Commander 'til 1996. However as J-5 (Director of Strategic Plans and Policy) in the Pentagon earlier, he worked with Richard Holbrooke and was the military expert in developing the Dayton Accords. Is that the time frame you're talking about?
Anyway, your perspective is much broader than that of most of us...especially mine. I don't think I was even aware of the Eastern European problems in the 90s.
Did you spend lots of time in Europe in those days?
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

My family is from Italy. My parents are both professors: Etruschologist and Librarian-educated in Italy. Furthermore, I lived in Italy as a child as my parents undertook professional research: read-- Fulbright Scholarships and sabaticals. Other than a few cousins of ours who reside in Northern California, most of our family resides in Italy.
Until recently, I used to commute to Italy and Europe.
Of interest, my brother is a graduate of the Royal College of Music in London, and my sister danced for the Royal Dutch Ballet in Den Haugue. I used to fly JAL (they used to offer San Francisco-Rome flights via New York and London), Laker Airways (now defunct)from either JFK or LAX, Icelandic Airlines (now Icelandair) via New York (JFK), and LTU (a wonderful private German airline with service from Los Angeles to Dusseldorf/Munchen).
Because of economics, I have had to cut back on travel.
Best regards!
Michael Matteucig
elected "President" of Europe in a heartbeat.
None of the Above; However, Wes Clark as Secretary of State will do!

Hey madspawn, great blog. Thanks for asking!
It was this salon.com interview "Gen. Wesley Clark, unplugged" by Jake Tapper from March of 2003 that first brought the General to my attention.
I’d never been much into politics, although I’d had a fascination with Jerry Brown when he’d run against Bill Clinton the first time and pretty much an obsession with the late Robert Kennedy for a number of years. But disgust and dismay with Bush had pushed me to get involved. I was ready to find someone to work for in the ‘04 primaries.
I’d chosen Dennis Kucinich from the Move On questionnaire that all of the candidates had answered, after narrowing the choice down to Dennis and Senator Graham, mostly because of his answers regarding Iraq, but I guess I didn’t really think he’d be successful.
As the war got closer, I got more upset with both my President, the Democrats in office, and so much of the media and the country that seemed to be supporting the whole fiasco. I used to read salon.com daily in those days and when I found this interview, I was so thrilled to see a General, a longtime military man, expressing so much of my thinking on the war. Wow! Wes wasn’t running yet but there was a hint he might. I was intrigued. This could be the guy.
Then, I think also through salon, I found out about the draft movement and checked it out. I didn’t immediately write a note there asking Wes to run. I figured that it was a serious and terrible thing to ask someone, especially someone who wasn’t a politician, to run for President and I better be serious about supporting him if I was going to ask him to run. So I started doing my research on Wes and just became more and more impressed. Finally, I jumped in and started writing my pleading letters to Wes, asking him to run. I sent emails to my family members, with Wes info, asking them also to get behind him. (They all did, in one form or another.) I started looking around online for the Clark Meetup info and such....I still hadn’t done anything more than read about Wes and write online notes to him...nothing in the “real world” yet.
That was the summer of the big blackout in the Northeast, which happened on the Thursday afternoon before I was leaving the city for a week at the Jersey shore. I remember sitting in Bryant Park that Friday morning, with the power still out over most of the city, trying to figure out how I was going to get out of the city, with Port Authority still dark and the buses out of the city a mess. Later, I would consider that the last day of the “BC” period of my life -- Before Clark. I did find my way out of the city and to the shore. My mom was with us at the shore and every time Wes would come on TV (he was on quite a bit around then) she would call me to see him or tell me about him. The day I got back, I signed up for the NYC Clark Meetup and the NY Clark yahoo group and that was the beginning of my After Clark period.
And in those early days when we didn’t even know if Wes was Dem or Republican, I decided it didn’t matter to me. I was going to back this guy, whatever letter he chose to put after his name, because he was this guy and not because of the party he belonged to...
The NY Drafters were pretty active and I got involved in as much as I could. I was doing stuff that I never could have imagined myself doing, like passing out Clark literature in the rain in Washington Square Park. But I kept doing it and, after Wes jumped in, I did whatever I could to get him elected. Every free minute of every day was spent trying to help Wes get elected. Consequently, I didn’t have much time to blog in those early days. There was a lot of “real life” Clark stuff that was taking up my time.
Without cable, I didn’t get to see Wes’ TV appearances, but I would read the reviews from the yahoo Clarkies who did have cable and my Mom would always give me her reviews as well. “I’m worried about your guy”, she’d say. And I’d say, alarmed, “Why, did he look sick or something?” And she’d say no, but she was afraid the Republicans were going to come after him because he was fearless in his criticism of Bush and his cronies. That’s our Wes....fearless.
There’s much more but I think that’s enough for now. I do hope others share their stories....And I thank those who already have.
"She hopes to open shadowed eyes on a different world...." Robert Smith, borrowed from Penelope Farmer
...and seeing someone with a damn good academy and military background. Someone who excelled at policy. Someone who seemed warm and genuine. Someone unfraid to take on the bullies - or call himself a liberal.
Someone willing to stand up for everything I think this country should be.
That's why I was a Clarkie
That's why I still am.
And THAT's why, after starting out as a Libertarian before leaving that party due to it trying to become "GOP lite", I became a Democrat and started being more active in that party.
And why I don't blindly accept what people say, but look at all the data and act accordingly. Wes Clark, and his example, is why I am moderate, thoughtful, and willing to look at the ideals of someone.
Like so many here, I first noticed
General Clark on CNN with Aaron Brown
and others following the attacks of
9/11, and then as President Bush began
to talk about attacking Iraq. General
Clark seemed to be the only person who
was brave enough to caution against such
a move. Since I was also strongly
opposed to starting another war, I
was glad to hear a respected General
and a person who knew a lot more than
I did give sound reasons for waiting
and evaluating and not striking out
at Iraq, an apparently innocent
bystander.
Actually, I would have called myself
almost a pacifist, an attitude I had
come to during the Vietnam War, even
though I was really ignorant about
U.S. foreign policies. I did remember
the "ethnic cleansing" in the Balkans
in the 90's, largely because of
Christine Amanpour's reporting, and
how glad I was that NATO had intervened
to stop it, so I knew that war was
sometimes necessary. But I did not
specifically remember General Clark
from that episode. Now I wonder how I
could have missed him, as I did remember
thinking there was a rift between
President Clinton and Secretary Cohen.
As I listened to Clark on CNN, I began
to wish that he would run for President.
Then I saw John Hlinko and Josh Margolis on
C-Span talking about the on-line draft
movement, but at the time I didn't even
own a computer, let alone know how to
find something on the internet.
Needless to say, I corrected those
deficiencies in my life, but not before
Aaron Brown finally asked out loud what
I was thinking, Was Wes going to run.
Even though General Clark did not achieve
the Presidency, I have not ever regretted
following his lead and being one of his
"soldiers." I am no longer a knee-jerk
pacifist, I have gained increased respect
for my own brother's military service as
a navy pilot during Vietnam, and I have
developed an avid interest in The relations
of the United States to the rest of the
World. I have come to admire General Clark
more than any other person in public life.
All this and hours of education and
entertainment provided by the General and
his corps of intelligent and endlessly
interesting bloggers.
tonimiami
I don't remember the date, but it was early in the draft movement. I was half paying attention when I heard him say the words "civil discourse." Only a few days before, I had a conversation with a friend in which I railed about how the politicians in Washington were too busy playing partisan power games and they needed to engage in some open, earnest discussions about the issues we faced. Here was this guy I had never heard of saying the same thing. I looked him up on the Internet and read every thing I could find. I became a believer and joined the draft movement. I was so excited when he declared he was running and one of his first stops was in Miami, at the Rusty Pelican restaurant. I convinced my daughter, sister, and a family friend that they must hear him speak. We got to the event early and sat in the front row. He was so genuine. He looked us straight in the eye while speaking, and when finished walked straight to me and shook my hand. I attended weekly Clark meetups and met some wonderful people. Some of us drove to South Carolina and went door-to-door campaigning for him. I remember being angry at the DNC for cramming Kerry down our throats and admiring the general for being such a good soldier for the party by supporting Kerry so strongly. He has always remained so...his message that he was looking forward to going to the convention to hear Obama give his acceptance speech in person was the most recent example. I have been so disenchanted with the whole process this year that I changed my registration from Democrat to Independent. Every time I think I can't stand to pay any attention to politics any more, Wes inspires me to hang on to my dream of a just, noble, and truly free America. God bless him!

Thanks for the story, Toni.
Did you meet a lady named Carol Smith at the MeetUps? She was a real stalwart in the Draft. I think her handle in the Yahoo! group was Miami_Lorac, or something close. She kind of disappeared after the 2004 campaign.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
tonimiami
Yes, I met Carol. In fact, she is one of the people who rode in my car on the Clark caravan to South Carolina. I saw her a few times after the election at some local political functions, but I have lost track of her, too. She told me she was going to have to move from her rented home in Coral Gables, and I moved to Homestead, so we are at opposite ends of a large county. She hasn't responded to my e-mails. If I encounter her during the fall campaigns, I'll let her know you asked about her.
Until the Draft Clark days, I honestly didn't know anything about Gen. Clark, although I've been a political "junkie" for years. Never caught him on CNN during his analyst days.
I did, however, watch C-Span's Washington Journal quite often (although not anymore), and one day I saw Dean being interviewed, and I found myself attracted to his ideas. So, I started that election cycle going for Dean.
On yet another Washington Journal, the host interviewed two young men who were promoting the Draft Clark movement. I went to the website, listened to more of the show and instantly moved from Dean to being a staunch supporter of Gen. Clark, and remain so to this day.
Unlike many of you, I've never met Gen. Clark, but I always enjoy reading your FHAs, and viewing the great photos so many of you take and post online!
Even though Gen. Clark had already left the race by the time my state's (IL) primary rolled around, I was thrilled to cast my vote for him, and I've saved my voting receipt with a sample ballot attached to it as a wonderful memento, along with donation thank-you letters and so on. I've been reading and occasionally posting to CCN since the early Gen. Discussion days, and have laughed, cried and, at times, spit liquids on the keyboard along with the rest of you, morning, noon and night.
My dad, who died in July, 2006, also liked Gen. Clark very much, and I still remember him calling me one night in winter, 2004, saying "your boy, your boy is on TV!" We used to have some great discussions about Clark! My mom likes him too! :)
It's good to be a Clarkie!

....you hit it out of the park
:D
Why have Obama and the New Democratic Party chose to rehabilitate the Republican Party at a time when it and conservatism has proven to be such a failure? Answer: "Because that's where the money is."
I was in SC and was at the original Meet Up for Clark in September of 2003. Then I got hooked into Clark's Army from Janet in CALI which turns out was a bogus grass roots thing and more of a Clinton machine gimmick. But who cares. I volunteered in Columbia and followed Wes and Gert to events in Hilton Head and Charleston and Orangeburg.
Clark should be the nominee and Clark should be president. I get sick watching the races in 2004 and the current one. What the hell is wrong with this country? We seriously are going to elect McNasty bottom-of-his-class KeatingFIVE and his lying power abusing hockey VP? All I can say is that I guess this country gets the government it deserves.
If people were informed and not so damn lazy and stupid, they'd wake up and make Wes president. I tried to make it happen. I really did. WES CLARK you deserved more; we all did.

Dear ForClark4Ever:
As you have probably read my previous comments, you can tell that I, too, am concerned about the direction our country is headed due to its narcissistic behaviors and the resulting social decline of our country and the world-at large.
I am devastated by the way our nation has ill-treated General Clark.
But then, look what happened to Jesus of Nazareth!
My Catholic/Christian background emphasizes "we-ourselves-us" (I am my neighbor's keeper) not simply "me-myself-I." I am heavily influenced by St. Francis of Assisi--care for those who lack a voice in community! I guess that is why I am doing what I can to support Honourable General Clark and other human beings who lack a voice in this society.
With respect to our narcissism, which may account for the high illiteracy rate in the United States, I,[as a multiple-sensory/structured full-inclusion educator who runs a home-school program for struggling learners who are allowed to "fall through the educational bureaucratic cracks"] would like to enlighten you to some heart-breaking statistics which account for our concern about laziness, stupidity, and ignorance of our society: 93% of our incarcerated citizens have a specific learning disfuntion--reading; 78% of our U.S. citizens read at less than fith-grade level; only 29-32% of our children actually graduate from high-school; only 22% of our students actually are successful under traditional schooling practices (oral, aural, visual--left-brain). Because of the policy of "one size fits all" we have lost many wonderful, creative human beings--who are cast-out as non-conformists or worse--and because of lack of financial resources are, for the most part, relegated to social exile. Because of the social exile, hopelessness sets in and self-survival takes-over.
When self-survival takes over, we are faced with a "me-myself-I" situation.
Of interest, in times past, individuals such as DaVinci, Einstein, General George S. Patton, John F. Kennedy, and others were able to overcome learning challenges posed by the educational establishment of our narcissitic society. This was possible because of family supports and friendships--which are sorely lacking in our nation at this time.
These unique individuals were considered "untouchables"--similar to the caste system. However, without their unique genius as individual, creative, and talented human beings with learning differences, and their tenacity to overcome societal nacissism which oppressed them, God only knows where this country and the world would be without them.
The point is, collaboration and community towards the evolvement of "we-ourselves-us" must take hold of this nation in order to lessen laziness, stupidity, and ignorance.
If we keep in mind that we are our neighbor's keeper, we may be able to evolve as a more caring, compassionate, energetic, and enlightened society.
Thus, we may be able to appreciate General Clark's wisdom.
On a personal note, because I hold General Clark in high esteem, I follow his directives to the "T-ee." Therefore, I support Barack Obama (I never did care to support Hillary Clinton) and to work towards the election/re-election of Democrats throughout the U.S.A.
Michael Joseph Matteucig

as an educator sounds very interesting, Michael. My son tested positive giftedness in math and struggles with timed math tests. It turns out that he's a visual-spatial learner, so timed tests aren't his strong point. Luckily, I've caught it and we are working with him. But, I can imagine many kids who might be gifted in certain areas falling through the cracks. And yeah... I'm with you on "one size fits all" not working for everyone. I imagine your job is very rewarding. :)


I barely remember. It was just at the end of the draft. I had read about him, and knowing he'd been SACEUR and had a military background was actually a plus for me.
I had become hyper-vigilant shortly after the selection of GWB. I had been researching everything I could possibly google about the different players and the various and scheming motivations. I remember my first trip to newamericancentury and the PNAC doctrinaire. Shocked and dismayed don't begin to describe the urgency I felt to get a handle on just what the hell was really going on.
So I remember that day in September, going into work and when I brought up the internet, there it was. Clark in the race. I remember sending emails to everyone I knew, and I was so damn excited. I felt relief as well, like, 'here's someone who knows what's going on, here's someone who understands diplomacy, here's the leader we've been hoping for!' That was such a good day.
I've learned lots from the General, and many of you.
I'm still mostly dismayed, but stuff doesn't shock me anymore.
Edit: Thanks to msinla for pointing out that Wes isn't a saucer, nor ever was.