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but many of us have seen enough of Obama's seeming lack of political acumen, and fear what he may bring to the WH.
If he can't stand behind the comments made by Clark, what will he stand behind? It was no attack on character, rather a statement about qualifications. It's no harder than that to explain, yet he can't. Poor judgment, no leadership, and just plain cowardice.
"But I'm supporting Barack Obama."
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
rolling....
At this rate, Obama is not going to have anyone left to surrogate for him. Where he waited too long to separate himself from Wright and his church, he now wrongly rejects Clark's TRUTHFUL comments about McCains qualifications rather than standing behind him. My only guess is that Obama fears that this will spotlight his lack of resume. He's proving to be quite the neophyte.
Big Yellow Bus Taxi
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
They took all the trees
Put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see em
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Hey farmer farmer
Put away that d.d.t. now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
I'm thinking of writing a letter to the editor of the Philly paper about this.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
Good news that.
I hope my theory holds - I bet Clark will have somre bookings in the next 24 hrs. I think this whole hubbub is good news and possible planned to launch our next VP!
General Clark will appear with Dan Abrams on MSNBC TONIGHT!, Monday, June 30 @ 9:00PM EDT / 8:00PM CDT
9:00 PM EDT | 8:00 PM CDT | 7:00 PM MDT | 6:00 PM PDT
All appearance times are subject to change. We suggest tuning in at the top of the show.
General Clark will also appear Tuesday morning on ABC's Good Morning America. See:http://securingamerica.com/node/3001 for details
"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln
I feel sick. I've been busy all day and have only just caught up with what's happening and I feel absolutely sick. With a big side order of pissed.
Wes spelled out his position extremely carefully and praised McCain's service and patriotism while making an extremely important point about the emptiness of McCain's claim to be a better CIC, and the MSM goes out of its way to misunderstand, simply in order to stir up poo. And of all the people in the world, for Wes to be accused of not respecting another soldier's service or patriotism just makes me sick.
Check it out here:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/30/192244/353/761/544361
at Dkos.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/184940/513/778/544344
Fighting back by kos Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 06:55:09 PM PDT
I don’t care much for Wes Clark, and I am not going to bother trying to explain why, because every time I do it just pisses off those people who like Wes Clark more, but he is getting boned right now by the media. I am watching MSNBC right now and Andrea Mitchell is crapping all over him, and the Obama campaign denounced his remark (for a campaign that promised to fight back, they sure are turning into a bunch of wimps. Pretty pathetic.), but all the guy did was respond to a question from Bob Schieffer:
SCHIEFFER: Can I just interrupt you? I have to say, Barack Obama hasn’t had any of these experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down.
CLARK: I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.
It looks like Obama is gun-shy after sticking by Jeremiah Wright. Now, he can't move quickly enough to denounce his own allies. So he's cross at Wes Clark, and he's mighty cross at MoveOn as well! Who else will he be cross with as he kicks off "Operation Piss Off the People Supporting and Bankrolling His Campaign In Order To Prove He Hates the Dirty Fucking Hippies". Now that the primary is over, he can turn his back on the people that brought him.
I was going to max out to him today, given I haven't given Obama a dime yet (focusing on congressional candidates). But I changed my mind. He wants to send the message that he doesn't need us, all the power to him. Message received. I'll spend that $2,300 somewhere else.
Too little to late, sez I.
CDS can be dangerous to your health and that of the Nation.
Should have taken off those rose colored glasses looong ago.
speaking for me only of course
;)
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her self.” - Susan B. Anthony, 1872
I admired him for that (as politically flatfooted as it was). I wish he'd had the same courage when it came to defending a real American patriot and someone who's a boon, not a burden, to his campaign.
I understand the principle of once burned, twice shy, but somebody in his campaign is giving him bad advice. I suspect that he didn't personally hear what Wes said, if only because he couldn't possibly have the time to watch every Sunday news show--maybe if he watched the clip from Dan Abram's show he'll see what Wes really did say about honoring McCain's service... and I wouldn't be surprised if he did watch it, Wes being a potential VP, and this having turned into such a ridiculous hot mess.
I hope he has the courage to apologize and to stick up for Wes. If not, I will vote for him--I won't lie, nothing would induce me to vote for a war with Iran--but I will not have nearly the same feeling of history being made. It'll just be voting against McCain.
who is running for congress in MO. She's a former two term mayor in KCMO. I asked her to promise she would not be a rubberstamp for anybody sitting in the oval office. No more imperial presidency, I told her, we need checks and balances. She promised me. I will only donate money to people who promise me they will do their jobs in congress and not capitulate.
Wes up top. Good report tonight on Abrams
Wes is getting some SERIOUS love over there. I feel a lot better now.
And I had a thought... at first, when I heard Obama repudiate Wes' comments (what, Barack, you repudiate the truth????), I thought "Well, so much for Wes as VP." But while I was reading all the positive comments on DU, I thought that this might all actually be perfect. Obama can't go after McCain's service, obviously. But Wes' statement had to get out there, and he takes the heat for a while. So, later, Wes is the VP choice, and the media immediately grill him again on the statements he's made today. As VP, he gets more than the three seconds it takes to make a soundbite, and he's not the one bringing the topic up, the media are--and he gets to say again that simply serving in the military doesn't automatically make McCain the better CIC. Plus, if Wes is Obama's VP, there are all the stock photos of Wes with his four stars that will be playing in rotation through interviews with him, including interviews on this topic.
If this is naive, let me dream. Because with the short memories that voters have, I can still imagine Wes as VP... in fact, since this hasn't gone as smoothly as Obama's advisers probably hoped and McCain's service has been played up rather than played down, it may be even more necessary to have a military-experienced VP on the ticket than it was before.
Please Larry King....
arrange to have Bob Dole and Wes Clark on your show within the next couple of days to air things out
The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America, when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats.
Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), April 16, 2005
They took a giant leap backward on that yesterday by not only failing to defend the best of them, but by attacking him.
"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers
...I forgot to eat dinner :(
at DU!
and how the press missed it"
"This is the perfect embodiment of the press’s unbelievably destructive habit of assessing every piece of campaign rhetoric for its political acuity, rather than for its validity and accuracy. Clark’s comments may (or may not) have been impolitic. But that has no bearing on their validity or lack thereof—which is how the news media should be evaluating them."
"Why should it be out of bounds for Democrats to argue that McCain’s particular military experience has done little to prepare him for the decisions he’ll have to make as president?"
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/attacking_mccains_mili...
"He had questioned the relevance of McCain’s combat experience as a qualification to be president of the United States. This is a distinction that you’d expect any reasonably intelligent nine-year old to be able to grasp.
But many in the press have been unable to."
Finally, somebody speaks the truth about McCain's experience.
His personal sacrifice is completely separate from his policies and strategic judgment.
Nothing can lessen the fact that going after Iraq/Iran instead of al Qaeda is simply dangerous. And the Senator's inability to recognize this, even in hindsight, is deeply troubling.
General Clark is the first person I've heard to actually state this so plainly.
They're only angry because it's true!
Thank you General. Thank you for fighting for us; for the truth.
--
Do good wherever you can.
I wish the average American voter had a better grasp of nuance.
I was just reading McCain's biography on Wikipedia--the man went through absolute hell as a POW, and I genuinely, deeply, humbly admire his refusal of the offer to leave the POW camp just because of his father's position, unless the prisoners taken before him were released too--which they weren't, so he stayed. If that were the end of his story, I would consider him a hero of the absolute highest order, and I can't imagine hearing that story and not being moved by his sacrifice.
However. That is not the same as judgment. God bless Wesley Clark for the courage to point that out.
I just hope that Wes knew the firestorm that awaited his comments, went in with eyes wide open, and isn't hurt by all this fuss.
AMUSED by all the fuss. Stupid freak show politics. Makes me so glad he decided not to run, even though he would be an extraordinary President. People had their chance in 2004 and they rejected a gift.
either because in their laziness they needed stories to fill in the summer days, or because they are complicit in pushing disarray. General Clark does seem amused, he called it hullaballoo. What is terrifying is to see how the Obama campaign folded to this soft wind created by the media. That is the terrifying part. These are the people that are supposed to be making serious decisions in a little over six months, affecting millions and the fate of nations?
was wrong to denounce the comment.
Dem's cannot be seen as backing away from comments, especially if they are true - when it comes to military or our defense.
Saying McCain is MORE qualified to be PRESIDENT simply BECAUSE he got knocked out of the sky by the enemy is like saying any fireman that goes into a burning home is also qualified to be Pres, or that any soldier that has seen combat is qualified to run our nation.
If you are going to nickpic words - then one COULD say that McCain is LESS qualified to be Pres because he DID get knocked out of the sky (flew badly) and he got caught and he ended up confessing to the enemy. All true but sounds bad so people don't say those words.
The General is right about this being about JUDGEMENT - not about combat experience.
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The fireman one... that's very good!
It makes the difference between bravery and judgment much clearer when the military aspect is taken out of the equation. Well put!
Told him I wouldn't vote for him now if he were running against the devil himself.
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We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.