Michelle Obama must have smiled when Wes Clark did Face the Nation today
Submitted by eve on June 29, 2008 - 9:45pm.
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Cross-posted from DaiolyKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/29/205746/078?new=true
Wes Clark, Joe Lieberman's nemesis, followed Lieberman today on Face the Nation via satellite from Little Rock. General Clark did a great job on behalf of Barack Obama, which I'll get to in a moment.
But it was the General's tie that got my attention. I wondered whether perhaps his wife Gert had picked it out for him. And if so, I thought, what enjoyment they must have had choosing it. Wes usually sports a pretty standard tie in red or blue, something traditional. Today he was wearing a black and white tie. And I thought of Michelle Obama's black and white dress that she wore on the view.
That tie spoke volumes to me....it was so supportive of what the Obamas are trying to do for this country.
Check it out yourself after the jump:
YES WE CAN!
Wes immediately lit into Joe Lieberman
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15919
an art in and of itself.
Schieffert:
And let's get right to it here, General. You heard what Senator Lieberman said. He said that Barack Obama is simply more ready to be President than, than Barack Obama. (sic)GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think Bar- I think Joe has it exactly backwards here. I think being President is, is about having good judgment. It's about the ability to communicate. As one of the great Presidential historians Richard Newsted said, "The greatest power of the Presidency is the power to persuade." And what Barack Obama brings is incredible communication skills, proven judgment. You look at his meteoric rise in politics, and you see a guy who deals with people well, who understands issues, who brings people together and who has good judgment in moving forward. And I think what we need to do, Bob, is we need to stop talking about the old politics of left and right, and we need to pull together and move the country forward. And I think that's what Barack Obama will do for America.
WHOO HAH!!!
Schieffert, apparently mesmerized by the illusion that McCain is "tried and tested" on national security, said:
Bob Schieffer: Well you, you went so far as to say that you thought John McCain was, quote, and these are your words, "untested and untried," And I must say I, I had to read that twice, because you're talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war. He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for lo these many years. How can you say that John McCain is un- untested and untried? General?
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it-'
Bob Schieffer: Well-
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: ' -it publicly.' He hasn't made those calls, Bob.
Bob Schieffer: Well, well, General, maybe-
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: So-
Bob Schieffer: Could I just interrupt you. If-
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Sure.
Bob Schieffer: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean-
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.
BAM!!!
Clark pulls the rug out from under McCain's claims on national security while making the point that Obama's qualifications are based on judgment and leadership skills:
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But Barack is not, he is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership.
CRUNCH!!!!
Schieffert then tries Lieberman's ridiculous assertion that Barack Obama will not pay attention to conditions on the ground in Iraq to fine tune how he ends the war:
Bob Schieffer: General, what do you think would be the impact, let's say on Iran, on the neighborhood around Iraq if in fact Senator Obama is elected and he does announce that he's going to bring back the troops on a specific time schedule? As Senator Lieberman said, he's totally discounting things that could happen along the way. Would he follow that schedule no matter what?
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think Barack Obama is discounting things that have happened along the way. I think the critique is more like this, Bob, that the Bush administration and Joe Lieberman in the forefront have from the beginning relied excessively on military force as the answer to all the nation's security problems. And what Barack Obama understands is that military force may have to be used as a last resort, but it's not the first resort. So, let's take the case of Iraq. This administration went to a war it didn't really have to fight. Barack Obama called it like it was at the time in a speech early on before we went into Iraq. And once there, the administration relied excessively on the men and women in uniform. It failed to put in place the overarching diplomatic strategy and the regional strategy that was necessary to deal with Iraq's neighbors. It more or less invited Iranian incursions by threatening that Ira- Iran and Syria were next on the hit list in military actions and, and efforts in the region without having an effective strategy in the region. So, when we talk about troop withdrawals from Iraq, yes, I think the major muscle movement for the United States needs to be less reliance on military power and more reliance on all the other tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy. So, it's within that vein that Barack Obama is talking about pulling troops back from Iraq. It doesn't mean that he's not going to be sensitive to other actions in the region. He's going to be much more sensitive to those actions than the kind of mechanistic, militaristic response that John McCain has habitually given. What I can foresee-
Bob Schieffer: Could I ask-
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -from an Obama campaign is a regional strategy that does include dialog with all of Iraq's neighbors and in which the military component is one part of an overarching strategy to protect American interests.
While George W Bush and John McCain were calling for a troop surge. Wes Clark called for a diplomatic surge in the region. Clark and Obama have been sympatico on Iraq since the fall of 2002 when both warned against it.
The whole interview can be seen or read here:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15919
If Barack Obama wins in November it will be such a pleasure to have a President who smiles spontaneously and has a relaxed demeanor with a hopeful agenda, instead of a pinched, glowering, grimacing, threatening visage of doom, like Bush, Cheney and McCain. How wonderful it would be to have Wes Clark's supportive good cheer as Barack's running mate. What a great team they'd make in November and in the White House.
Here's a pic together...don't they look great?
I never understood the animosity towards Michelle Obama for her remark...because when I heard Michelle's comment I thought of General Clark's speech on Legitimacy, which may have had nothing to do with Michelle's thinking, but was a plea for us to live up to our democratic ideals and an acknowledgment that we have not always lived up to those ideals in the past.
Wes's speech on "Legitimacy" is one of the most powerful and thoughtful speeches I have ever heard. I just love it.
The whole speech is great but this section is remarkable:
To be fair, the Bush administration wasn't the first to trim around the edges of U.S. compliance with the principles of international law and the requirements for legitimacy. you can look back over the Cold War and find our exceptions, but you can't take much pride in it. The coups that we fomented, the politicians we attempted to pay off, the efforts that we made in covert action, our occasional support of expediency over principles - most of them came to a bad end.
They don't justify the realist critique. They help condemn it. And in the light of history, they stand not out- they stand out not just as aberrations, but as mistakes. They're just of a lesser magnitude than the kind of mistake we made with the invasion of Iraq.
You can go back and trace these uneasy compromises we've made where we had to sacrifice our adherence to international law and international standards when it's suited our realist aims. You can trace it back. But by and large, in the court of public opinion, we got away with them in the Cold War. Our adversaries were much worse, and we were on the right side of the equation of history and human judgment in the most part.
By and large, we escaped with our reputation mostly intact, but this time, this time, we've gone too far.
I guess I understand that some people might have felt hurt by what Michelle said, but at the time, I wanted to thank Michelle.
A lot of people may be upset that Wes dared to suggest that McCain being shot down does not qualify him to be president. Some think that's disrespectful. But it's simply the truth.
Wes has enormous courage. He is also very diplomatic. But when he pointed out where politicians had abused our democratic principles even before Bush/Cheney, I was extremely grateful to General Clark and my respect grew.
Wes Clark is remarkable in that he can step outside of the mindset of policymakers to examine the flaws in policy from an ethical and moral point of view. I love that about Wes Clark. I think it takes courage and love of country to point out our flaws and those are flaws that most Americans are, I think, very unhappy about when they learn about them.
I remember when Wes told the story of General Shalikashvili asking Wes and two other Generals to stay behind on a Saturday to draw up plans for Haiti. Wes asked Shalikashvili whether it was real and was told that yes it's real and if you don't feel it is right then you can take off your uniform and not do this. Wes has talked about Michael Hayden as CIA director and said he should take off his uniform and think for himself as CIA Director instead of considering himself in the chain of command willing to follow orders rather than take a critical view.
Wes is a dissident voice in this country when we need it most. At the same time he's a leader and a person of extraordinary good will.
I don't think that Michelle Obama meant anything other than this is a great country but there are still things that need to be better and with Barack Obama's inspiring so many people and so many young people to take a role in making things better and the country being receptive to Barack because he's bright and hopeful and dedicated, looking past superficial things like skin color that have been used as wedge issues in the past, we have a chance to get onto a sustainable path and live according to our highest ideals.
If anything, Michelle Obama may have expressed the point that our pride in country grows when our ideals are realized. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think that people have been so sickened over what's happened under Bush that even once staunchly Republican evangelicals are now supporting Barack Obama because their conscience is troubled by how this country has been misused.
Our country has great hope if we live up to our democratic principles. That's what Wes stands for with courage and good will and humor. Wes doesn't like to brush anything under the rug. But that doesn't make him unatriotic. That makes him courageously patriotic I think.
I think Michelle's very patriotic too. She is making so many sacrifices for this country right now, as are their children.
I heard a story about Michelle Obama. When she met Barack and they were seeing each other, she asked her brother to take Barack out on a basketball court to play.
After the game, Michelle's brother told Michelle that Barack Obama was someone she could trust.
Sorry this is so long.

but I was just trying to diplomatically suggest leaving the General's General out of the fray.
Personally I have no feeling or much interest in either Obama, much less the charming details of their courtship, etc.
If Wes is such a voice of dissent & you believe this is the linkage between the two perhaps you'll join us under the bus in our dismay at Obama distancing himself from & "rejecting" WKCs critique of John McCain.
campaign office (and his Senate Office)
campaign 1-866-675-2008 option #6.
to ask why Senator Obama doesn't acknowledge that Wes's 34 years military experience plus retiring with the rank of Four Star General means that he is an expert on whether or not McCain's experience justifies his claims to being a national security expert.
The conclusion by General Clark is "no". It is perfectly reasonable for Senator Obama to acknowledge that General Clark's assessment of Senator McCain's lack of national security expertise is therefore respected and accepted.
I added that General Clark is effectively cutting McCain's misrepresentation of his own expertise off at the knees and that Barack Obama should welcome this with open arms.
One person I spoke to said that he'd pass my concerns along and that he hoped that Barack Obama and Wes Clark would continue to work together to see to it that Barack Obama is elected in November.
And I added that since Wes Clark and Barack Obama are sympatico in philosophy and policy on the preponderance of issues that I hoped that Wes Clark is seriously considered for VP.
And I signed Jon Soltz petition:)
I was surprised that some reasonable commentators are shocked that the Democrats would attack McCain's national security credentials.
Thank you General Clark for having the courage to speak out on difficult subjects. You're the best!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/behind-the-rise-and-fall_n_109983.html
UPDATE: Obama spokesman Bill Burton has issued a statement that reads:
"As he's said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by General Clark."
Daily Kos: Defending Wes Clark
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/184940/513/778/544344
Then there's THIS jerk.
RICHARD KLASS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-klass/keep-to-the-high-ground_b_110062.html




Black with white polka dots struck me as well, for different reasons, reflecting a badly polarized nation long at war in a listing economy & a fractious party broken into smaller deeply unsatisfied constituencies trying to break through. Very bipolar. Bold, and dark. Think I've seen that one once or twice before.
BTW, your title is likely to get up the ire of many who are not MO fans. For example those who were proud of their country during the Clinton administration's actions in Central Europe, in which WKC played a large role. One thing Gert Clark really seems to treasure is her privacy.
Thinking of Gert Clark's incredible graciousness & long service to the nation, particularly her work with kids & schools on army bases as WKC spent decades learning & working & meeting leadership challenge after leadership challenge in the United States Army juxtaposed with so many of MOs erm, public remarks & youtube cliips is a bit of a stretch.
The General rebuilt a car from a manual when he was something like 43 or 46 years old- because he didn't have the money to repair it. He didn't, for example, give finger waggling speeches to automakers about how Detroit needs to get with the alternative energy program, meanwhile himself driving a V8 SUV.
It's that place where the rubber meets the road that drew so many of us to WKC in the first place & which is the same place where the Obama family seems to need to do some fast, heavy & convincing lifting.
Wes Clark on Tax Cuts