5/19/08 - General Clark on Morning Joe
Submitted by Kat on May 19, 2008 - 10:21am.
who the young lady is on this program, because I never watch MSNBC anymore, but what a twit...
As far as Mike Barnicle's question about the young people serving *4* tours of duty in Iraq...my question to him would be...did his children serve?
though I don't watch Joe anymore, so am not sure. Mica has apparently been ordered by MSNBC to dumb it down, wear low-cut clothing, and sound like a bimbo. She didn't start out on the show doing any of this, but the last few times I heard her talk she sounded so much like Norah O'Donnell with the "Barack Obama, Barack Obama" mantra that I thought it was ole' Norah herself. Mica's dad, Zig, is a foreign-policy advisor for BO, so she's supposed to be maintaining neutrality. Of course, what passes for neutrality now among the media must be refraining from declaring that BO is the true messiah sent down by God.
And another thing: I'm sick of ALL the media talking about BO offering Hillary the veep spot like it's some magnanimous favor! Just throw the little lady a sop! I was born in 1947, and I don't think I've seen women treated with such contempt. If men used to act as though we were weak and helpless, well at least well-bred, courteous males weren't vulgar and disdainful toward women who acted like ladies. On CSPAN today, the host read an article claiming that Obama was showing contempt for Hillary by pulling out her chair! Well, gee--that one went right over my head! When he accused her of throwing the china, yes--but I guess I'm so old-fashioned that I don't always catch the insults!
into a Russian by spelling the name with a Y at the end instead of I. Boy, would he be peeved! Anyway, you recall, he was Jimmy Carter's national security advisor. Seems like BO has a lot of failed Presidents and/or candidates in his orbit. Others include Ted K., Edwards, Kerry. I guess I could add Sam Nunn, and there's bound to be others....
WKC on a.m. Joe 
Submitted by Bluemoon on May 19, 2008 - 8:49am.
Nice to see the General back on the tee vee- Joe Scarborough is out, Mika said "he was having a baby" (she meant his wife) who was expected in the summer but was possibly arriving a bit early, that they were waiting for good news any day now.
Two segments before they had Axelrod by phone, blathering on & on & on about how we will come together, yada yada. When pressed about which states he thinks will be pick-ups, he mentioned Colorado & stated they will do well in the midwest- pointing maybe to Sebilius. Psst Axelrod there are more books in America than just What's the Matter with Kansas- also, he said that due to how hard PA & OH & maybe he said IN have been hit by the R economy, that they will be firmly in the Dem column come the GE. [?]
No gravity, as usual, on Planet O!. They really seem to think it is enough to simply run against "McSame." It just kills one after the work done to ensure that the Dem party is a full-service party. No comprehension on Team O! it seems that he is not universally adored. In the campaign bubble, navigating full-speed ahead to what feels like a looming disaster to this blogger. No matter. We have other news today.
Mika had a bright coral outfit, WKC was there physically in the studio, not remote & had a dark suit with a dark royal blue tie - possibly lightly patterned, crossed with white & maybe thin thin pinstripes in suit. Barnicle was there (asked good questions - I don't know his background beyond the Kerry boostering of 04 but today he would have been a great lawyer! He was hilariously self-deprecating, at the end, of which more later) & Pitchfork Pat by satellite. WKC looked great, maybe a little thin? He was seated on the right not the left so may have been the angle- used to seeing him from the other side.
My notes aren't too detailed- I think Mika led with the "gale force pressures for BO to appoint a Clinton loyalist as VP..." Wes said it was either preposterous, presumptuous or premature. Presumptuous, I think. Because she will do well in KY & "surprisingly well" in OR- and he recited many many statistics & metrics about the campaign.
The newsroom folk seemed to wait with deference while Wes articulated it but in the end Mika nicely stated that there is no question HRC is a good campaigner, etc. but then towed the line about how the math is impossible & luckily next they went to Pat- who brought up 1. it seems signals are being sent that the admin is likely to bomb bomb bomb or strike Iran btw. now & November. Senator Clinton has recently articulated her willingness to strike back I think Pat said using nukes but I don't have the exact words. Would the American public be comfortable with that- and also- Bush & the appeasement remark.
WKC said any potential hypothetical counter-strike (again: THIS IS STRICTLY HYPOTHETICAL) would be dependent on context & numerous other factors.
He said "We were disappointed to hear (Bush's remarks about appeasement) such language coming from the President of the United States of America." He didn't mention Barack whatsoever. But he did do what he does best, which is essentially to deftly defend the (real) flag (not the pirate ship version lately seen blackening our skylines) by reciting the motherlode of fruits borne by American diplomacy over many long decades. Snap! Full bore against Bush like nobody's business.
By the way I was dying to know who the "we" was- WKC & Gert, WKC & peers, WKC & Clinton contacts, etc.
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Anyway- back to the stupid horserace- more VP rumors, again- Hillary is still in the race- Barnicle tried to crack it open another way-
Mike Barnicle: "Does electoral politics still interest you?"
Wes, strongly: "It's not about me."
Sorry, no big grin there.
Barnicle- more seriously- asked about how long it would take to rebuild our military from the damages the last eight years hath wrought. Wes was a little more animated here (not at all to suggest he wasn't QUITE passionate about the HRC defense earlier) particularly when speaking about military families. Barnicle noted that so few are serving, Wes was also clearly worried about what these years have done to the traditional pathway for so many young people - i.e. military/national service. He talked about how he was at an event (back to back seminars & a dinner in between at a college or university?) recently & sent the kids off to call their parents & suggest they enlist in the service (to test the distance between political rhetoric & willingness to lay one's flesh & blood on the line) & got answers like: Uh, son- we love the idea of military service but you are: too independent, too talented, too much life in front of you, etc. etc. -
(me, bluemoon, I can't say I blame any parent for it these dark days.
These are bleak days, my friends, with not a lot of good options & of those, even they seem to be rapidly diminishing. There's an ill wind blowing if you ask me. It seems to me that a lot of energy has sapped out of this so-called contest of late. Reminds me of the part of the story in The Lord of the Rings where the fellowship breaks- Frodo & Sam press on into Mordor, while Aragorn, Gimli & Legolas press on towards Rohan, looking for Merry & Pippin.)
oh yeah- at the end Wes was talking about how having faced down for real bad guys helped him so much to accomplish what he(/they) needed to do in Bosnia- and Barnicle said something like- that's nothing, you've been at tables with far worse... pundits!! hehehehheheeh
and Wes gave a big laugh & maybe his signature jab movement & said- "Must be a guilty conscience!" - laughing.
He is well-treated there. But people are evidently just waiting the next round out.
Holding pattern.
I kinda hope the heir apparent rushes off to Iowa & makes to grab the ring. That will go over big with the base.
Average (7 votes):
Another CCN poster was accusing Wes of calling for all American children to serve in the Military...
(the quote)
" Wes said he won't be satisfied until everyone child serves US military - - wait for the tape to get the exact words."
I am reposting my response and Wes's actual quote so that little ditty gets cleared up, and to see if anyone here recalls the name of that unique program Wes had suggested to enlist young adults into public service, not that unlike the Peace Corps? I can't remember the details...
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Ever heard of public service?
The Diplomatic Corps
The Peace Corps
Public service as in:
The US Senate
Congress
State and Local offices
Public servants....
US Park Services
US Dept of Health and Human Services
FEMA
CIA, NSA
US Dept of Justice and courts system
The US post office?
and a million other avenues any American can choose from to "serve their country".
Here is the exact line from the show:
"Until we can convince the American public and the young people every American has an obligation to serve their country, I personally won't be satisfied." ~ Wes Clark
Wes said nothing about the Military -- and as you know it would have been absolutely ludicrous to suggest that every single man woman and child in America should serve in the Military regardless of age, health, aptitude etc. Wes is not dumb. Wes Clark himself had suggested an alternative form of public service for students between college and the work force not dissimilar to the Peace Corps if I recall correctly... I cannot remember the name of the program but do remember it was highly innovative and a clear indication of his belief in Public Service as being a noble and worthwhile calling for all Americans.
Yeah Found it-- at Daily KObama of all places! 'Arielle' was defending Wes in that WC smear piece over there calling him horrible names and smearing him ruthlessly. Our own CCN bloggers are piling it on. It's truly disgusting to see.
Read here if you are of a strong stomach:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15540#comment-303612
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But now for the GOOD NEWS!
It's the "Civilian Reserve" - I couldn't think of that name!
General Clark's Strategy for Mobilizing the Citizenry in a Time of Need
For all the talk of service and sacrifice by the President over the past two years, we are no more prepared today to mobilize the citizenry in the event of another attack than we were on September 10, 2001. General Clark's job stimulus plan provides additional funds to train first responders like firefighters and police. But in times of crisis or urgent need, professional first responders are not enough. General Clark's Civilian Reserve proposal enables us to draw on the vast array of skills and the ingenuity of ordinary Americans without creating a new bureaucracy.
* Creating a 21st Century Civilian Reserve for 21st Century Challenges. General Clark challenges all Americans, men and women, to sign up for the Civilian Reserve. By signing up for the Civilian Reserve, volunteers promise to make a sacrifice for their country, when and where needed. In exchange, members of the Civilian Reserve would know that their unique talents and abilities were being effectively mobilized.
o Mobilizing the skills and talents of the American people. Individuals who register with the Civilian Reserve will record their occupations, skills (including language skills on an optional basis), preferences about service, along with name, address, phone number, and e-mail address. Enrollees will record their preference for local, national, or international service. The Civilian Reserve will adhere to the highest standards of privacy protection.
o Renewable commitment every five years. Individuals who volunteer for the Civilian Reserve will make a five-year commitment. At the end of that period, they can choose whether or not to renew and in the process update the listings of their skills and preferences.
o Challenging all Americans over age 18 to make themselves available for service. The Civilian Reserve will be open to all Americans, men and women, over age 18.
o Using modern technology, not old-fashioned bureaucracy. The Civilian Reserve will use the latest technology and will not require a large government program or numerous civil servants. Members of the Civilian Reserve would be contacted and mobilized via mail, phone and e-mail during the voluntary call-up process. The Internet will be vital to communicating with and mobilizing volunteers.
* Calling Americans to Service in Times of Need. The changing threats and issues that face our country require a new and innovative approach to mobilizing the citizenry in times of need. The Civilian Reserve offers a flexible approach. Volunteers will match their skills with the needs of specific crises, such as local communities in times of natural disaster, cities hit by terrorist attack, or famine-stricken countries.
o Matching skills with needs. In General Clark's plan, the President will have the authority to issue a "voluntary call to action" to encourage particular segments of the Civilian Reserve to mobilize to meet the pressing needs of the nation. Only those with the relevant skills will be asked to volunteer.
o Calling up the Civilian Reserve if necessary. During a crisis, if sufficient volunteers were not available, the President would have the authority to call up as many as 5,000 Reservists, through a lottery of those with the required skills. The circumstances precipitating a mandatory call-up would be exceedingly rare, and the maximum period of active duty would be six months. An appeals process would consider hardship exemptions for family and other circumstances. An Act of Congress would be required to call up additional Civilian Reservists beyond the first 5,000 members. Members of the Civilian Reserve would be limited to one six-month call up in their five-year term of service.
o Working domestically and internationally to address pressing needs. At home and abroad, the Civilian Reserve will have a positive impact in several critical areas.
Some examples:
+ Helping to fight forest fires. Members of the Civilian Reserve could help fight forest fires, including helping with back-line tasks to relieve more highly trained fire-fighters to work at the front line. In the process, they would reduce some of the demands currently placed on the military to mobilize to fight forest fires.
+ Nation building. Today America is paying billions of dollars to certain American companies for reconstruction in Afghanistan and Iraq. But numerous Americans have the language skills in Pashto and Arabic, the technical skills, and the desire to help. The Civilian Reserve can marshal and coordinate their efforts.
o Working side-by-side with governments, non-profits, and non-governmental organizations. The Civilian Reserve will work together with first responders and existing non-profit and non-governmental organizations, like the Red Cross, supplementing but not supplanting existing response systems.
o Providing compensation, health benefits and job protection. In the event that members of the Civilian Reserve are mobilized to actively serve their country, they will be paid a stipend, receive health benefits and be guaranteed re-employment at their regular jobs, just like members of the military reserves. In addition, they will receive invaluable training and experience to use throughout their careers.
It was probably my favorite part of the platform in 04.
I was, and still am, so incredibly tired of feeling so powerless in the world...chances and opportunities do actually go forth and do some good are so few and far between, and given the current state of the economy, personal and otherwise, it's practically an impossibility at this point to take the time away from work and paying the bills in order to get to a habitat build, raise money for cancer research, or even have the spare cash to toss the way of brilliant organizations such as heifer international.
And I don't see it getting any better for a long while. And I also don't see anyone else championing such an amazingly wondrous plan. Wow. Just imagine if something like this was combined with Hillary's green program.
I have to go sit in a cupboard and cry for awhile.
You are powerful in ways you don't even imagine Dorma...
We were made for these times. (sayeth the wimp!) :)
My father was part of Roosevelt's Tree Army back in the early 30's. Afterward, he joined the US Army, and rose to the rank of Captain, assigned to the Office of Special Services. He served in WWII and the Korean War.
I have always looked to his service as a guide for my own commitment to the US. I considered joining the military after a year or so in college, but couldn't get Dad on board with me for that one; said the only thing I could possibly be good at was playing the piccolo in an army marching band...which didn't sound so bad to me, but he had dreams for me. And so it goes, that while I can still toot out a pretty mean Star Spangled Banner counterpoint, I can't march worth a damn, and would feel pretty useless if we were invaded. But there I go, off my point again. Here's my point.
I just wanted to share a wee bit of US history. The Civilian Conservation Corps, 1933 - 1941. When I think about Wes' Civilian Corps plan and a Utopian confluence with Hillary's Green Jobs plan, I get Roosevelts Civilian Conservation Corps. It's a wonderful start to the end of the current madness...no?
There's some writing on Roosevelts Tree Army here:
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1586.html
Snip -
When FDR took office, he immediately commenced a massive revitalization of the nation's economy. In response to the depression that hung over the nation in the early 1930s, President Roosevelt created many programs designed to put Americans back to work.
Roosevelt was not interested in the dole. He was was determined, rather, to preserve the pride of American workers in their own ability to earn a living, so he concentrated on creating jobs.
In his first 100 days in office, President Roosevelt approved several measures as part of his "New Deal," including the Emergency Conservation Work Act (ECW), better known as the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). With that action, he brought together the nation's young men and the land in an effort to save them both. Roosevelt proposed to recruit thousands of unemployed young men, enlist them in a peacetime army, and send them to battle the erosion and destruction of the nation's natural resources. More than any other New Deal agency, the CCC is considered to be an extension of Roosevelt's personal philosophy.
The speed with which the plan moved through proposal, authorization, implementation, and operation was certainly a miracle of cooperation among all the agencies and branches of the federal government. From FDR's inauguration on March 4, 1933, to the induction of the first CCC enrollee, only 37 days had elapsed.
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Imagine. Just, wow. Just imagine.
Wes, Hillary...can you hear me? I'm a lonely voice, who is ready to go forth and see your ideas become reality.
I'm just saying. Back to my cupboard, tissues at the ready.
My ex was a flute and piccolo player.
In the mid-90s we took a B&B vacation to Vermont, Montreal, New Hampshire, the Maine coast, and Boston. We spent July 4 in North Woodstock, New Hampshire, a small, quaint town in which the North Woodstock Inn provided the best food we'd had on the whole trip. After dinner we went to the town center, where a band of senior veterans was playing. Naturally, they played "The Stars and Stripes Forever." When the aging gentleman rose for the piccolo counterpoint, my wife was reduced to a blubbering idiot. My own waterworks kicked in -- the picturesque scene, the poignancy of the band, the music -- the whole ambience -- is something I'll never forget.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
at that part of the song. It's a mighty, mighty song.
God Bless Sousa.
Six of us on those piccolos in HS band. We played it one year in concert, and had two other bands from the local Jr Highs in the balcony. When the last refrain kicked in, after the part where the low brass goes down the scale, you know the part; "Duh duh duh duh duh da duh duh DA DA! Duh duh duh duh duh da duh duh DA DA! Duh duh duh duh da de da de da de da de da de da de DUH DA DUM DUM!" and then whoo, bang, everybodys in! Bands in the balcony, piccolos spitting and tootin', HUGE flag flown down from the rafters, a good 180 kids belting out the glory of that banner, and my mom in the front row weeping her eyes out. Talk about embarrassing. ;-0
When I sang in choirs, there were two things I could rarely finish without choking up: the "Amen Chorus" from "The Messiah," and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir version of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic." My high school choir, without a doubt one of the top five in the country in 1965 ("Robert Shaw, look out!" a music reviewer from the Daily Oklahoman wrote after one of our concerts), ended each of our concerts with it.
The Mormon Tabernacle version, complete with orchestra, is here. If you're interested, I have a 4.6 MB MP3 of my high school choir version, recorded in 1965 toward the end of my senior year. Unfortunately the accompaniment is just a piano, but the singing is top-notch--at any level.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
A tutor who tooted the flute, tried to tutor two tooters to toot. Said the two to the tutor, "Is it easier to toot, or to tutor two tooters to toot?"
Toodle-oo!
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
Own Marching Band. We could call it something like the Clarkies Marching Band. LOL. I used to play Clarinet in both Middle School and High School. But its been years since I've picked one up.
Wes speaking on the Civilian Reserve. Despite the storm and dust that got kicked up today over Wes's comment about public service... I'm glad the topic has been revisited and we can get a chance to recall the vision this man had for our country...
Thanks to plant who just provided this on the GD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMGHoBpEGaI
...talking directly to Barnacle and leaving Mica hanging out there at the end of the table after her unwillingness to take his "preposterous" as an answer. He was sure skillful and powerful heading off those interruptions.
We haven't heard or seen Wes in awhile, so this is long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to post this for all of us, Kat.
I particularly liked the part where he ripped Bush to shreds over the "appeasement comment." I'm sure it won't be the first time he's called upon to help refute Republican BS in the Fall campaign, whoever our nominee.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Whoever said it, it's true.
So good to see our General. That was a long dry spell. Too long. It seemed like maybe it was for him too, as he appeared to have so much to say...in so little time. :)
Through all the inanity and shallowness Wes stands strong and continues to fight for what he believes is the best thing for our country. But of course he would. He knows full well the consequences of this election and always has.
He continues to make important points which seem to go over most peoples heads. If they would just LISTEN, rather than talk and THINK about his points...they might actually LEARN something. Alas, it is becoming more and more apparent many are incapable.
Pat Buchanan's question about Iran was appreciated. He has been deeply concerned about an attack on Iran for quite some time. I'm in complete agreement with him there....and have been watching for the signs of this catastrophe daily.
It was wonderful to see...and hear....Wes again.
I'd have prefered "preposterous" to "presumptuous". ;)
Gosh I hope he gets a VP slot.
"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark
http://theheraclitanfire.blogspot.com/2008/05/not-now-not-ever-repudiation-of-obama.html
We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.
And I'm glad someone else said it!
;-)
"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers
To go into more detail would only be considered "o bashing."
Let's just say (or rather, I just say, as I'm speaking only for myself) that I think General Clarks sense of integrity would be sorely tested as a ticket partner with a certain inevitable candidate.
He's already busy with the down tickets anyway.
As for myself, I'm holding cash and support for anyone else in this race quite close to the vest. I'm going to concentrate on getting the bums out of Chicago, Cook County and Illinois for the next few years, and if that means taking that closely held cash and support, and tossing some of it the local GOP way...so be it.
Looking at it from an "on paper" perspective, I think they would make a good team. Obama needs some military credibility, he needs a Hillary supporter, and he needs a southerner to help with the white vote. We all know Wes knows his stuff, he's as qualified as anyone could ever be, he fills in that hole for Obama.
Of course if you have strong feelings agaisnt Obama then you are going to see it differently but I think that "on paper" or from a more detatched perch, they would be a good ticket when we just consider the kind of things they each bring to the table.
"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark
I agree, Dorma, and I don't think it came across as flippant. I mean, Gen. Clark is about as self-sufficient, psychologically, as anybody on the planet, except, of course, for Gert and Wes II's family, LOL.
The conditions:
- Will he be asked if O is the nominee? I doubt it.
- If he's asked, will he think that joining the ticket will allow O to win in November? I don't have a reading on that one. Having him on the ticket may provide the BEST chance of winning, but is that chance enough?
- What role would Obama give him? Would it be significant enough to cause him to want the job? Putting him in charge of the Civilian Reserve might be a big enough of a carrot. I would think that the role would also have to include a major role in national security and foreign policy. That also might create a clash.
My tea leaves say that all these conditions are unlikely to be met.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
why would Gen. Clark choose to support Sen. Hillary? He knows her well and most likely he did research on Sen. Obama to consider why he should or shouldn't support him.
I guess it's part of politics to know only small percentage of what we are able to see and what goes on behind the curtains, we will never know. There is a different perspective when you work with the candidates than just listening to them preach.
Wes certainly does not need BO to do the good work he will do anyway. But, neither does BO need our General. He clearly said he doesn't need a foreign policy or military man to bolster his campaign cause its his specialty! He's better than Hillary or McCain both. Wonder who he could pick to reach out to those poor unfortunate rural, uneducated, bitter blue collar voters? Come to think of it, he probably doesn't need anyone at all! He can do it all by himself, maybe with Zbig or McPeake thrown in as back-up.
on the ticket.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/obamas-vp-pick.html
"Obama went on, more seriously, to say that he wouldn’t be intimidated if his Vice Presidential pick knew more than him, and used the example of the benefit of having someone who had talents in military affairs since he did not serve in the military."
"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark
This is no time for amateurs.
(paraphrase) I don't want to be anyone's Dick Cheney.
The second one is from 04,when asked about being Dean's VP.
a true amateur at virtually everything leading the ticket and a true professional, world-reknowned, and respected leader sitting on his hands? When you have your delicate brain operation are you going to allow the newbie just out of med school to practice on your head, or the guy who has all sorts of experience, awards, and probably taught the new kid some of the stuff he needs to know. There's all sorts of analogies available, but it's late...
We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.
That's going to be, but I completely agree...Emil Jones, the Stroegers, the Madigans, et al... MUST GO!!!! I'm not even sure about Melissa Bean any more, even though she hasn't been in long.
Can't ever get the entrenched repub out of my district (Manzullo...he's been burrowed in here for years and years), but will donate where I can where there is indeed "hope for change"...and NOT that O! kind!!!!!
Wes Clark -- Clark has been one of Clinton's high profile supporters and that instantly hurts his chances of being an Obama VP pick, but I'm sure he is ...
http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/74920
It turns out that the most efficient delivery system for capitalism is actually a communist-style police state. - Naomi Klein
Clark should be in government service at the highest levels. I hope that the nominee chooses to utilize Wes Clark's talents in the best interests of America.
I don't know what else to say because I don't want to repeat what others wrote... Great interview and I guess he was in the city.
Just got to view his appearence. He is sooooooo good at getting his message out. He has a grip on what HE wants to discuss, with all the Mika questions and enuendo's she throws out. He is our General..and he sure supports Hillary and states the facts. Poor Mika, couldn't coerce him with her snobby attitude. Wants him to be vp to O...know way!!
I could not make 5:30... even for Wes-
He looks SO GOOD! On my screen he looks really rested and fresh! Very happy to be able to hear him still behind Hillary and taking on the MSNBC/GE gang with aplomb!
Merci beaucoup!